Let me poke the bear one more time.  Many proposals have to be submitted repeatedly (although the limitations are hitting us now) to get funded.  This isn't because we didn't help as much as the researcher not realizing that the sponsor is looking for someone to do its work rather than funding a researcher's personal work.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Proposal Review Comments

I agree with this. *Requiring* faculty to share reviewer comments seems extreme. I can't imagine it would be well received.

If you have a researcher who is not being funded and insists on submitting the same "brilliant" idea repeatedly, then you8 have as PI who does not understand what a market-driven economy is about ( or is too arrogant or deluded to stop).  Either way, that PI has turned from an asset to a detriment.  As a good friend said, just "push the button" for these folks.  The disappointment is that their chairs and Deans don't help  them to switch emphases.  That is where the job isn't getting done.  Self-delusion isn't academic freedom, it's just a waste of resources.

Ready, set, go.

Spanky

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Mike McCallister
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Proposal Review Comments

 I wouldn't do this at gunpoint.  If a PI is trounced and mystified as to why, they are going to talk to their colleagues and possibly to you for some insight.  Your "formal" requirement will create the impression that you think that the PI's work for you, that you are a superior who has a right to information so that you can direct their activities.  I assume that your intentions are to help and I understand that pink sheets are a rich source of insight, but the comments have to do with the research design about which you likely know very little detail.  PI's sometimes will continue to make the same mistakes.  However, they are grownups and will learn (or not) experientially.  That means you don't get to see their report cards and they keep trying until they get an award.  If they don't, we aren't in the salvage business, our efforts are for those with fire in their belly, not rocks in their head..

Spanky

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Waxler
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:25 AM
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Subject: [RESADM-L] Proposal Review Comments

We are planning on implementing a formal policy which will require PIs to share reviewer comments with us. This will help us guide those who are developing re-submissions and those who have received rejections and are uncertain what course to pursue. To date, we have only asked that these comments be shared with us on an informal/volunteer basis.

So, do any of you have such a policy, and how successful and useful has it been.

Larry

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