@ Madison: While many components of the private sector/industry can be
very "innocent" regarding grants and grantsmanship, the ones most
likely to contribute substantially to a research effort are NOT naive
about money and investments. I believe any effort such as you describe
would back fire just as if you were submitting it to a government
agency.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Gray, Madison
<xxxxxx@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
> All:
>
>
>
> I think the hard pushback to the idea of a center in name only is based on
> the thought that the subsequent application for funding would be to
> potential government sponsors, yes?  Although I’m not sure how that would
> rise to the level of actual fraud unless one stated in a proposal to the
> potential government sponsor that the Center InNameOnly had funding in place
> when that was not the case?  Is the term “Center” associated exclusively
> with federal funding of some sort? (I’m resisting the urge to see if
> “Center” is defined in the FAR.  I gave up the FAR for Lent.  Ahem.)  Why
> would it be embarrassing or of interest to an OIG exactly?  On some level,
> this approach strikes me as a branding exercise – not a nefarious plot.  I
> may not be connecting the dots well, but I trust that y’all will help me do
> so.
>
>
>
> Does the analysis shift if one considers establishing a Center InNameOnly
> and then shopping it to potential industry partners?  I am not sure how one
> would get through the start-up phase of an industry-funded center/consortium
> without the branding of a name in place.  It also seem reasonable to me that
> an institution might want to hold off on obligating monies to the proposed
> center/consortium until there is proof of concept, i.e., an industry partner
> willing to join in.  The particulars of the center/consortium framework
> would shake out as the conversations unfolded between the interested
> parties.
>
>
>
> I recognize the entrepreneurial spirit behind Michelle’s question.  I think
> it is helpful to noodle over start-up issues in research endeavors, and
> perhaps the Research Development folks on the list might have some
> interesting input.  It’s great that Michelle sought the input of the list on
> this strategic question, and I’m hopeful that we might unpack our responses
> a little more fully to be helpful to her.
>
>
>
> What would we do without a list to tap into the RESADM brain trust? J
>
>
>
> With kind regards, Madison
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] A Center in Name only
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> Have you considered the implications should a reporter uncover this and
> write about it? I think it would prove quite embarrassing. Also think of the
> OIGs in this world...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alvarez, Michelle E <xxxxxx@MNSU.EDU>
> To: RESADM-L <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 6:15 am
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] A Center in Name only
>
> It was presented as an incentive for faculty to seek funding. I thought it
>
> sounded like a good idea but wondered if other universities had tried it or
> had
>
> success with the idea.
>
> Michelle
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> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:53 PM
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> To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org
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> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] A Center in Name only
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>
>
> If 3000 of us now know this ploy, chances are that funding agencies and
> their
>
> reviewers will not fall for it.
>
>
>
> CH
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> of Alvarez, Michelle E [xxxxxx@MNSU.EDU]
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> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:09 PM
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> To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org
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> Subject: [RESADM-L] A Center in Name only
>
>
>
> I heard an idea at a recent conference that I wanted to see if I could get
>
> feedback on related to the development of Centers (e.g., Center for Rural
> Social
>
> Work). The idea was that faculty interested in starting a Center could
> request
>
> to do so without any monetary commitment from the university. So if I wanted
> to
>
> start a Center I could fill out a request to my university and they would
> grant
>
> permission for me to use the name Center for Rural Social Work but not
> promise
>
> me any funding. The idea is that this would put me, a faculty member, in a
>
> better position to apply for funding to support the Center because I have
> the
>
> name already attached to it. Then even if the Center fails, the university
> has
>
> not lost any funds and if it succeeds then I could apply for both internal
> and
>
> external funding. What do you think of this idea?
>
>
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