You are right. This was a concern voiced by Chuck Chermside a while back. All indirects, regardless of any formula that a school puts together, become part of the institution's general funds to pay for the indirect costs of research. The school may then decide to fund its various units using a formula based on which grants brought in those indirect dollars. Language suggesting that recovered indirect cost dollars directly become rewards for grant-seeking success sends the wrong message. CH ________________________________ From: Research Administration List [xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] on behalf of Brandt Burgess [xxxxxx@RESEARCH.UCSB.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:56 PM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] How are indirects distributed at your institution? Quick question(s): Is giving money back to the researcher really what the indirect rate is set up for? Isn’t supposed to reflect the “hidden costs” universities or colleges expend to support research? If you are directly giving large chucks of your Indirect back to your researchers, it would seem that your indirect rate is too high. Thoughts? Brandt Brandt Burgess, Ph.D. Director of Research Integrity University of California Santa Barbara Phone: (805) 893-5292 From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>] On Behalf Of Mary-Ellen Fortini Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:26 PM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] How are indirects distributed at your institution? At Santa Clara University: 30% to the University general fund; 70% back to the school where the grant originated (into Dean's discretionary account - most Dean's make it available to the PI of the award somehow) Mary-Ellen Fortini, PhD Director of Sponsored Projects St Joseph's Hall, 116 Santa Clara University Santa Clara, CA 95053 408-554-4806 (phone) 408-554-2389 (fax) Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Nancy Riker <xxxxxx@westernu.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@westernu.edu>> wrote: Hi, At WU: 15% to the College; 43% to the VP of Research and Biotechnology for a General Research Pool; and 42% goes back to the General University under the direction of the CFO. Best Regards, Nancy Riker Director, Post Award/Grant Accounting Sponsored Programs and Contract Management Western University of Health Sciences 309 E. 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Jennifer, here is UAF's. https://www.uaf.edu/ogca/resources/regulations/indirect/60-40-ICR.pdf<http://cp.mcafee.com/d/2DRPow921J5xYQsITKeuhdTdETK-DtdNUsrhLtZeWoVNYSzuXWtQT7DzqdTASkS6m73tyuNf-wGjSpfj6Bwl0IHrLgrdMbaSXQ6PtJd7ap1RN_HYyCed7b1EVpWZOWqr3D9KfLCzB5fBHEShhlKqen-l3PWApmU6CQPqapJ7HF0Iq610e6OUldTdAVPmEBC5erRTLgrOF6SV7WlrzrWp7Obp-PBm5cB12kvJf7bBSbBMQi1vb8eCWC8v4L7WqwGnf1hYGjFNfZfCjzZfSdyv00jrb0VxcS2_id41Fr1oQc20sdBMGqnjh05WC3h1Ivd44E8izZFQd424Gjz8wTfQ3h1IPh0mGT4QgixisFJPBm18SU-rAlesCHc6NiTr> Cheers, Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Jennifer Shambrook <xxxxxx@ucf.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@ucf.edu>> wrote: I am serving on a committee that wants to do a little benchmarking on indirect cost distributions at other institutions. I need to offer a report on this next week. Here at UCF, the Provost gets the first 3%, then the remainder is split 45/55 with colleges/research VP. The college deans have the flexibility to determine how (or if) the money that goes to their college is distributed to departments and investigators. How do you do distribute indirects at your institution? Feel free to send to me directly, of you’d like. I’ll post a compilation of what I’ve collected at the end, if others are interested. Thanks! 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