And, in fact, IDC recovery funds DO go towards keeping the lights on and cleaning the floors, etc. That is the basis for their determination and they do indeed cover a significant portion of those costs. However, they don't cover all those costs, which is why institutions doing research always have to have additional sources of support to cover the gaps. Any choice to return a fraction of IDC recover to the PI/department is indeed an inducement for the PI/department to seek more research. Arguably, its the same as if all the IDC recovery is kept for paying for electricity and such and those inducements were funded from the additional sources of support. Roger Wood Sr. Product Manager InfoEd Global v +1 518. 713. 4200 ext 150 f +1 518. 713. 4201 e xxxxxx@infoedglobal.com ________________________________________ From: Research Administration List [xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Brandt Burgess [xxxxxx@CARYINSTITUTE.ORG] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 2:15 PM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Impact of Indirect Cost Distribution on PIs Charles, I agree with this sentiment whole-heartedly. Words matter in the discussion of this topic, especially at this time. One of the major reasons that the “new” combined OMB circular is not going to flat rates for IDCs is that the big research institutions made an argument that IDCs do not cover the full cost of research to an institution. Brandt Brandt R. Burgess, Ph.D. Grants Manager & Compliance Officer Cary Institute of Ecosystems Studies PO Box AB 2801 Sharon Turnpike Millbrook, NY 12545 Office: 845-677-7600 x202 Fax: 845-677-5976 xxxxxx@caryinstitute.org [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2C87.D791D970]<http://www.caryintranet.org/> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hathaway Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 2:04 PM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Impact of Indirect Cost Distribution on PIs Nonchalant discussion of indirect cost recovery used to make Chuck Chermside crazy. Mike Kusiak’s email this morning asked the Chermsidian question: “Why not keep recovered funds centrally to support infrastructure and administration?” (Chuck would have made the interrogative an imperative!) We talk about this IDC recovery stuff all the time and I understand that these formulas for rewarding PIs just use indirect cost values as a convenient way to apportion the funds. But I think that these days of sequestration and distrust of research and academia should caution us to remember that language matters, perceptions matter, and saying that “grants make money for a department” could come back to haunt. As Gauhar warned, “return of IDC” sounds a lot like “bonus for performance.” CH From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Josh Jessen Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:03 PM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Impact of Indirect Cost Distribution on PIs Recovered IDC is used to bolster ongoing research and pay for little things that make it possible to keep momentum going. It doesn’t keep the lights on – those things are paid for by tuition and private/public funding. Grants make money for a department and help a PI when they off-set salary. From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Deborah Hofer Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:54 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Impact of Indirect Cost Distribution on PIs Chris, sounds like an interesting project. My institution is a small, liberal arts, primarily undergrad school. Here are some incentives faculty mention: * Create research opportunities for students * Provide financial support for students (stipends, wages, travel) * Recruit and retain students for the department based on research and financial support Looking forward to the survey. Deborah d'Este Hofer MM [http://www.sou.edu/it/images/email_signature.bmp] Southern Oregon University Grants & Sponsored Programs Institutional Review Board 1250 Siskiyou Blvd Ashland, OR 97520 Churchill Hall #106 541.552.8662 xxxxxx@sou.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@sou.edu> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Chris Thompson <xxxxxx@moderas.org<mailto:xxxxxx@moderas.org>> wrote: I think Charlie has a great point, as do many of the others on this thread. How about we put together a list of possible incentives and I'll create a survey (leveraging Scott's idea) and send it out to the list and report the results? So far we have * The research itself * Prestige * Advancement * Tenure * Survival (ideas for a softer word?) * Monetary (% of Indirect costs returned) Others? -- Chris Thompson MŌDERAS | Co-Founder xxxxxx@moderas.org<mailto:xxxxxx@moderas.org> | www.moderas.org<http://www.moderas.org> ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ======================================================================
