I'm not sure about other schools, but at our school you can not receive a
summer stipend payment (as would be received through an REU), AND academic
credit. It's one or the other. Honestly  we call it a "stipend", but it's
really just a payment like any other campus summer job.

Perhaps a little off topic. Sorry.

Robin

On 8/29/12 11:30 AM, "Young, Katherine S" <xxxxxx@ILSTU.EDU> wrote:

>Ok...the pivotal point may be stipend  = scholarship or fellowship.  BUT,
>you may be able to charge F&A if  participant support costs are for a
>teacher stipend or a workshop participant (that is not for academic
>credit purpose) and where other costs included may be travel and food
>costs.
>
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>[mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Hawk, Patricia
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>To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] NSF REU Indirect Cost (F&A) Calculation
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>Going on the paraphrase of Jean Feldman's remarks, I would say this:  if
>your F&A rate is on salaries and wages, then it's not excluded.  If your
>F&A rate is on MTDC, stipends are one of the exclusions.
>
>REU awards do often carry expenses such as travel and supplies, so that
>would be the part that would traditionally covered under an MTDC rate.
>
>Pat
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>The PAPP are general guidelines but when there are specific programmatic
>guidelines, they prevail, e.g.  International Programs exclude F&A on
>foreign travel, but you do not generally exclude it under a standard
>program.
>
>Kathy
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>Yes, the new REU guidelines say to use your rate, but the PAPP says
>participant support is excluded from indirect costs. Many NSF
>solicitations say "Indirect Cost (F&A) Limitations: Not Applicable," but
>that doesn't mean you can collect indirects on participant support. Did
>Jean Feldman specifically say that the PAPP guidance on indirects does
>not apply to the REU solicitation?
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>[mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Young, Katherine S
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>You should look at the updated guidelines.....
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>-----Original message-----
>From: "Betcher, Gina I" <xxxxxx@ECU.EDU>
>To: "xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org"
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>Participant Support is exempt from indirect costs.
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>[mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Jill Diehl
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>If they are budgeted as participant support costs, which is what the NSF
>REU RFP referes to them as (the student stipend and tuition), wouldn¹t
>they be excluded per NSF policy?
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>Jean Feldman just mentioned (yesterday at FDP) that NSF was getting this
>question quite a bit. And, her answer was "look at your Indirect Cost
>Rate Agreement letter. If the costs are included in your rate, then
>include them; if the costs are excluded from your rate, then exclude
>them. Period."
>(Perhaps that's not really a direct quote, but its certainly the message
>she
>conveyed!) The answer would depend on whether those particular costs are
>included or excluded in your institution's rate agreement and thus the
>answer might vary from institution to institution.
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