Well, I feel pretty stupid!!!  I actually thought all MTDC rate agreements excluded participant support costs.  Looks like we lose.

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Not all rate agreements exclude stipends even under MTDC.  Are you thinking tuition?

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Going on the paraphrase of Jean Feldman's remarks, I would say this:  if your F&A rate is on salaries and wages, then it's not excluded.  If your F&A rate is on MTDC, stipends are one of the exclusions.

REU awards do often carry expenses such as travel and supplies, so that would be the part that would traditionally covered under an MTDC rate.

Pat

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The PAPP are general guidelines but when there are specific programmatic guidelines, they prevail, e.g.  International Programs exclude F&A on foreign travel, but you do not generally exclude it under a standard program.

Kathy

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Yes, the new REU guidelines say to use your rate, but the PAPP says participant support is excluded from indirect costs. Many NSF solicitations say "Indirect Cost (F&A) Limitations: Not Applicable," but that doesn't mean you can collect indirects on participant support. Did Jean Feldman specifically say that the PAPP guidance on indirects does not apply to the REU solicitation?

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You should look at the updated guidelines.....

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Participant Support is exempt from indirect costs.

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If they are budgeted as participant support costs, which is what the NSF REU RFP referes to them as (the student stipend and tuition), wouldn’t they be excluded per NSF policy?

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Jean Feldman just mentioned (yesterday at FDP) that NSF was getting this question quite a bit. And, her answer was "look at your Indirect Cost Rate Agreement letter. If the costs are included in your rate, then include them; if the costs are excluded from your rate, then exclude them. Period."
(Perhaps that's not really a direct quote, but its certainly the message she
conveyed!) The answer would depend on whether those particular costs are included or excluded in your institution's rate agreement and thus the answer might vary from institution to institution.

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