Okay - I have to admit this has left me completely confuzzled. Add to it my faculty member that has basically said "if we have to charge indirects, I'm not writing the grant".

Maybe a call to the program officer is in order…

Robin

On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:19 AM, "Young, Katherine S" <xxxxxx@ILSTU.EDU> wrote:

> The PAPP are general guidelines but when there are specific programmatic guidelines, they prevail, e.g.  International Programs exclude F&A on foreign travel, but you do not generally exclude it under a standard program.
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> Yes, the new REU guidelines say to use your rate, but the PAPP says participant support is excluded from indirect costs. Many NSF solicitations say "Indirect Cost (F&A) Limitations: Not Applicable," but that doesn't mean you can collect indirects on participant support. Did Jean Feldman specifically say that the PAPP guidance on indirects does not apply to the REU solicitation?
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> You should look at the updated guidelines.....
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> Participant Support is exempt from indirect costs.
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> If they are budgeted as participant support costs, which is what the NSF REU RFP referes to them as (the student stipend and tuition), wouldn’t they be excluded per NSF policy?
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> Jean Feldman just mentioned (yesterday at FDP) that NSF was getting this question quite a bit. And, her answer was "look at your Indirect Cost Rate Agreement letter. If the costs are included in your rate, then include them; if the costs are excluded from your rate, then exclude them. Period."
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