Re: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) Bobbie Ursin 01 Dec 2021 13:11 EST
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Ditto to what Cathy said - let's keep this forum professional, please. Bobbie Ursin ________________________________________ From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> on behalf of Smith,Cathy <xxxxxx@ColoState.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 11:04:10 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) I question whether this is an appropriate forum for imposing our individual do-it-for-me circumstances on the profession, so I’m happy to carry on a conversation in private with anyone who is interested in alternative viewpoints or simply civil discussion. Cathy From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:59 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the vaccines you cite vs. those for COVID-19. -----Original Message----- From: Ginger Phillabaum <xxxxxx@auburn.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@auburn.edu>> To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> Sent: Wed, Dec 1, 2021 12:54 pm Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) Now my button has been pushed and I really don’t know enough about this to carry on a minute conversation but disobeying the laws Martha referred to “seatbelts, stop at redlights, etc.” will not cost us our jobs. And, I am certainly no doctor but I haven’t been required to get additional shots for polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, etc. but there is a possibility that people will have to get a booster because the COVID vaccination, obviously, is not working as it should or for as long as originally thought it would last. Isn’t the shingles contagious? Can’t the shingles kill a person if left untreated? Are we made to get that vaccination? Isn’t that a choice? Just my opinion as everyone has one. Ginger Ginger Phillabaum, MRA Contract and Grant Administrator III Office of Sponsored Programs Research and Innovation Center 540 Devall Drive, Suite 200 Auburn, AL 36832-5888 Phone: (334) 844-8561 xxxxxx@auburn.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@auburn.edu> "The information transmitted in this message and attachments, if any, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any review, transmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer." From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Martha Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 11:32 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) Thank you very much. I’ll be here all week……. ;-} From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 11:26 AM To: RESADM-L <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> Subject: [EXT] Re: [External] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. Martha, you just made my day. Standing Ovation to YOU! Gloria Gloria W. Greene, MA, CRA Assistant Vice President Contracts and Grants Office of Sponsored Programs The University of Alabama in Huntsville SRAI President-elect 301 Sparkman Drive, VBRH E26 Huntsville, AL 35899 Phone: (256) 824-2657 Fax: (256) 824-6677 "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G.B. Shaw To remain compliant with the CDC and UAH’s guidelines, the Office of Sponsored Programs will continue to wear a mask and social distancing. We ask that you contact us via email or phone to set up an appointment. Meeting via zoom is still the preferred option. Our safety, as well as yours, is very critical. On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:14 AM Martha Taylor <xxxxxx@auburn.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@auburn.edu>> wrote: OK….button pushed: When the OSHA rule came out, it was too late for employers (SUBJECT TO OSHA and CMS) to get people vaccinated by DEC 8 so the time frame was shifted. AT THE SAME TIME the Taskforce guidance was altered to change the federal contractor date to January 18, 2022 for full vaccination status. There was a federal judge in Louisiana who issued a stay for the OSHA and CMS rules. Until Yesterday (Nov 30) the federal contractor requirement remained in place. BTW – the injunction is only in Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee. The rest of us are still on the hook for now and testing in lieu of the jab is not allowed under the guidance. The hearing for Alabama is Friday. Given our political bent in this state, I can already see what will happen. So much for the unbiased judicial branch. Also not to be overly prescriptive but the guidance says last shot by Jan 4 for full vaccination status as defined in the guidance by Jan 18. If a journalist is going to report on a federal judge’s ruling then the story should be based on accurate information. Since I got my law degree on google, I would be interested in exactly what constitutional right is being violated. People use recent 14th amendment rulings on personal choices in healthcare as a reason for saying a vaccine mandate is unconstitutional. The recent 14th amendment rulings suggest that it is ok for you to refuse medical treatment and kill yourself but so far I am not aware of any ruling that says you can refuse medical treatment and kill others. In addition, just about every single state in the union has a vaccine mandate for any child attending public schools. So what is unconstitutional and what is not? Article 6 of the US constitution gives federal law supremacy over state law. Presidential executive orders have the same force and effect as federal law. We follow willingly lots of other federal executive orders so what makes this one any different in terms of its application as law? State governments have police powers to enforce certain laws and EO’s if it is in the best interest of the state to do so such as in the case of a massive public health and economic crisis as we have seen during this pandemic. Washington State did just that before the Biden EO was written and people have been fired for not complying. What is unconstitutional about that? And, the EO says nothing about mandating a vaccine just because the President wants it. It says (I am paraphrasing) that if you as a contractor are going to accept federal contract money for work you are compelled to perform in a timely manner, then your workforce should not be hindered from performance such that the federal funding and federal agency are injured. It is the opinion of multiple scientific scholars that vaccines prevent or inhibit infection and it has been that opinion for a very long time (ie polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, tuberculosis, tetanus, rabies, shingles, pneumonia, chickenpox, HPV, and so on…..) The President’s EO simply recognizes what science has indicated and that is that vaccination is one way to prevent the spread of Sars CoV-2 and/or make any infection less deadly than without vaccination. If you do not want to comply with the guidance then do not accept the federal funding. There is nothing forced on us. It is our choice. Is the money important enough to us to comply or are we consumed with personal freedoms to the extent that we don’t want the federal funding? Speaking of personal freedoms and the new “noone is gonna tell me what to do” mantra – we wear seatbelts, stop at redlights, wear shirts and shoes in restaurants, don’t shoot people, don’t hunt out of season, show up for work daily at the required time, don’t break into other people’s houses to take their uber nice TV for ourselves, don’t beat children, don’t beat animals, don’t conduct human subjects research without proper approvals and consent, we file COI disclosures telling our employers about all our personal stuff in order to receive federal grants, take RCR training, file income taxes with the IRS by the deadline, sign up for the draft if male and of a certain age, don’t board airplanes without going through a security check and leaving our gun and chainsaw at home……. This list may sound ridiculous but these are rules we follow everyday imposed on us by the government we elected to maintain order in our society. The lawsuit in Kentucky says something to the effect that the president used an EO to bypass congressionally delegated authority to manage the procurement of goods and services. UMMM…….. Does anyone really want a lesson in past EO’s and how many times we have had to jump through hoops to implement something absurd because of a presidential EO? Really? OMB, the FAR council and the civilian Agency Acquisition Council didn’t seem to have a problem with it; nor did the heads of several major funding agencies including some who took the rule even further - like Nasa. All the lawsuit stuff going on is political BS and is distracting us all from our purpose of supporting our faculty, institutions, and funding agencies in advancing science and knowledge for the long term betterment of the human race. Get the jab so the guidance becomes moot and let’s all move on to something really critical like effort reporting or the fact that remote work makes it virtually impossible to compete for new employees at those institutions who don’t have such a policy.….. From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Betcher, Gina Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 9:13 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: [EXT] RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) CAUTION: Email Originated Outside of Auburn. I’m pretty certain we may need to abide by the guidance provided by leadership at our prospective institutions. From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Melissa Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:04 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) This email originated from outside ECU. Thanks for adding the legal info! From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Mira Mihajlovich Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:21 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) I’ve not been following this thread and similar ones too closely, but in case legal cases haven’t been included in the discussion, a federal district court judge in KY granted an injunction yesterday for KY, OH, and TN. https://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-judge-blocks-biden-covid-223247582.html<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fkentucky-judge-blocks-biden-covid-223247582.html&data=04%7C01%7CCathy.Smith%40COLOSTATE.EDU%7Ce7bd6c05faa5438d8bf208d9b4f47c62%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637739784425755760%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=dXOY2Yog2weAzFvRIlIsqth5RbPUUVgo6iEeuWmMTXE%3D&reserved=0> Also, a similar suit was filed in late October in a federal district court in Georgia, but I haven’t a ruling. Participating states are GA, AL, ID, KS, SC, UT, and WV. Separate suits were filed in TX, FL, and MO. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/federal-contractors-vaccine-mandate-what-government-contractors-need-to-know<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.natlawreview.com%2Farticle%2Ffederal-contractors-vaccine-mandate-what-government-contractors-need-to-know&data=04%7C01%7CCathy.Smith%40COLOSTATE.EDU%7Ce7bd6c05faa5438d8bf208d9b4f47c62%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637739784425765773%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=TCBO%2BBRhb2ft4pKuMMu6%2BSXGnwXqj7OcYb9kG3kRvR8%3D&reserved=0> In fact, several lawsuits have already been filed that challenge the constitutionality of E.O. 14042 and related federal contractor COVID-19 vaccine mandates, including several federal district court challenges from at least nineteen different states that could at any time result in these requirements being, at least temporarily, enjoined. See, e.g., State of Florida v. Nelson et al., Case No. 8:21-cv-02524; State of Georgia et al. v. Biden et al., Case No. 1:21-CV-00163; State of Missouri et al. v. Biden et al., Case No. 4:21-cv-01300; State of Texas v. Biden et al., Case No. 3:21-cv-00309; Commonwealth of Kentucky, et al. v. Joseph R. Biden, Case No. 3:21-cv-00055 Regards, Mira Mira Mihajlovich CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Research Development & Special Projects College of Agriculture, Forestry and Life Sciences 104 Barre Hall Clemson, SC 29634-0303 (Phone) 864-656-2014 https://www.clemson.edu/cafls/research/crd/request.html<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.clemson.edu%2Fcafls%2Fresearch%2Fcrd%2Frequest.html&data=04%7C01%7CCathy.Smith%40COLOSTATE.EDU%7Ce7bd6c05faa5438d8bf208d9b4f47c62%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637739784425765773%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=hfCv5fXTpfEOpX%2BRubiDiU9n%2FOrd%2FthdARiDdxLDOi8%3D&reserved=0> “I support open inquiry, viewpoint diversity, and constructive disagreement in research and education.” From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Price, Linda Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 11:49 AM To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> Subject: RE: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) Hello all, Just met with my HR VP to look at the EO and figure out how this applies to our campus. I am coming back to this group for opinions. My understanding is that the OSHA rule is on hold, however, the EO is not so compliance is required by January 18, 2022. How are your campuses determining what this applies to? We are not a heavy R&D school and currently do not have contracts that meet the Acquisition Threshold, but that can change at any time, right? We are wanting to be prepared. Since contracts are with the institution and not an individual, are you considering the entire employee workforce as covered, if not, how did you determine who is and who is not? If you have ROTC programs, again, how are you determining who is covered? Financial Aid, Financial Services, Accounts Payable, HR? I look forward to your responses. -- Linda Price | Director of Business Operations Office of Business and Finance ROSE-HULMAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 5500 Wabash Avenue | Terre Haute, IN 47803-3999 Office: Moench A101 | Phone: 812.877.8165 | Fax: 812.877.8194 xxxxxx@rose-hulman.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@rose-hulman.edu> www.rose-hulman.edu<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rose-hulman.edu%2F&data=04%7C01%7CCathy.Smith%40COLOSTATE.EDU%7Ce7bd6c05faa5438d8bf208d9b4f47c62%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637739784425775765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=TUmgaPqTghsE8S4DyeCYRKp8VAH6DYeZseqZ4TYrQzs%3D&reserved=0> From: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> On Behalf Of Theodore Myatt Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 9:22 AM To: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org<mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Re: E.O. 14042(COVID Executive Order for FederalContractors) [External Sender] Hi Bella: I haven't looked into this too carefully, but I believe the requirement is to flow down terms to subs if they exceed $250K and are within the US. Ted Ted Myatt, Sc.D. Associate Vice President for Research Administration Office of Sponsored Projects | Office of Research Integrity | Comparative Biology Resources Center Division of Research and Economic Development University of Rhode Island 70 Lower College Road, Kingston, RI 02881 Office: 401-874-2636 Cell: 401-489-8332 https://web.uri.edu/research-admin/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.uri.edu%2Fresearch-admin%2F&data=04%7C01%7CCathy.Smith%40COLOSTATE.EDU%7Ce7bd6c05faa5438d8bf208d9b4f47c62%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637739784425775765%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=rjw85fjMXZe22aB2o1VOTitYUnGX5bxzHkHE53ydozU%3D&reserved=0> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 8:57 AM Isabella S. Z. DiFranzo <xxxxxx@attainpartners.com<mailto:xxxxxx@attainpartners.com>> wrote: The discussion and resources shared on this topic has been very helpful. Thanks for bringing up this topic Lisa. One additional question – how do institutions handle consultants on federal contracts in relation to the FAR clause? Does your institution include the FAR clause into the consulting agreements? Thanks! Bella DiFranzo, MPA, CRA Senior Consultant p. 518.290.0176 e. xxxxxx@attainpartners.com<mailto:xxxxxx@attainpartners.com> [cid:image001.png@01D7E6A3.29C78BC0] This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited. If additional review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is requested, contact xxxxxx@attainpartners.com<mailto:xxxxxx@attainpartners.com> for written authorization. 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