Normally I don't comment on Pre-award stuff like this, being a post-award type. But it seems to me that if NIH decided to limit AREA grants to $100k over a 3-year period, they know how to do the math in the manner they want. I hate to sound simple, but did you call and ask them? > At 08:24 AM 8/17/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I didn't mention that NIH-AREA > >grants (R15) are limited to $100K for three years -- hence my math problem: > >she can't apply for 2 modules per year for three years. I was hoping for > >advice from folks who've actually tried to make the numbers work for AREA > >grants (though modules weren't required until the last deadline, so probably > >not many out there have done this). I want her to be able to get the > >full $100K, but the only way would be to have a justification for extra > >funding in one of the three years -- or to design a two year program. > > > >Thanks again. > > > >Franci > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Evelyn J. Ford [SMTP:xxxxxx@MAIL.MED.UPENN.EDU] > >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:04 PM > >> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org > >> Subject: Re: NIH-AREA (R15) budgets > >> > >> Franci -- > >> > >> Since you say this PI doesn't really have good justification for #1, and > >> since #2 would significantly reduce the scope of the work proposed, my > >> suggestion would be to use the appropriate modular total for your average > >> of $33K/year, which would be $50K/year. Who knows what the feds will do > >> when they see your detailed budget if this is funded -- maybe they'll give > >> you two modules in Year 1 and and 1 module each in Years 2 and 3 (this is > >> my own wild guess based on absolutely no information whatsoever! -- > >> perhaps > >> someone else out there could comment on that possibility), but I would go > >> for $50K/year, UNLESS the scope of the project can be fit into 2 years > >> (your option #3) @ $50K/year. > >> > >> If the PI is worried about being noncompetitive (even tho the study > >> section > >> is supposed to NOT consider the dollars), then I believe she will have to > >> decide how she could fit her project into one of your 3 other scenarios, > >> but I'd certainly try to persuade her to go with 2 modules/year for 3 > >> years. > >> > >> -- Evelyn > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> Evelyn J. Ford, Manager, Accounting Operations > >> Office of Research Support Services > >> School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania > >> 356 Anatomy-Chemistry Building > >> 36th Street and Hamilton Walk > >> Philadelphia PA 19104-6061 > >> voice 215.573.1395 fax 215.573.8802 > >> xxxxxx@mail.med.upenn.edu > >> > >> At 04:47 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > >> >I'm looking for advice about preparing NIH-AREA budgets using modules. > >> >I have a faculty member who needs about $33K per year for a standard > >> three > >> >year research program. She has no special, one-time needs, to justify an > >> >extra module. As I understand the module system, she has three > >> options: > >> >1) Justify extra funding in Year 1 for extra supplies, small equipment, > >> or > >> >other first year costs and cut back on supplies and students in Years 2 & > >> 3 > >> >for a $100K budget. Presumably she could then spend less than > >> anticipated > >> >in Year 1 and carry it over to the later years -- but probably would be > >> >expected to purchase some of those supplies and equipment. > >> >2) Do a $75K budget -- which means cutting students, supplies, and/or > >> >summer salary. > >> >3) Do a $100K budget for two years -- which means adding supplies, > >> >equipment, travel, and students. She probably wouldn't spend it all > >> and > >> >could request a no-cost extension but would end up having to reapply a > >> year > >> >sooner than currently planned. > >> > > >> >Am I missing something? There doesn't seem to be any way for her to > >> run a > >> >simple, balanced, three year program for $100K. > >> > > >> >Franci Farnsworth > >> > > >> >Frances Vinal Farnsworth > >> >Coordinator of Sponsored Research > >> >Munford House > >> >MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE > >> >Middlebury, VT 05753 > >> >Tel: 802-443-5889 > >> >Fax: 802-443-2081 > >> >email: xxxxxx@middlebury.edu > >> > > >> > > >> >====================================================================== > >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >> > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > >> >====================================================================== > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ====================================================================== > >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > >> ====================================================================== > > > > > >====================================================================== > > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > >====================================================================== > > > > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== -- Greg Schmidt Manager, Contract & Grant Accounting Florida A&M University 201 FHAC Tallahassee, FL 32307-3200 DUNS: 623751831 College of the Year - 1997 850/561-2956 voice 850/561-2461 fax ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
