Ask for a multiple of $150K anyway, and explain why in the justification. "Farnsworth, Franci" wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I didn't mention that NIH-AREA > grants (R15) are limited to $100K for three years -- hence my math problem: > she can't apply for 2 modules per year for three years. I was hoping for > advice from folks who've actually tried to make the numbers work for AREA > grants (though modules weren't required until the last deadline, so probably > not many out there have done this). I want her to be able to get the > full $100K, but the only way would be to have a justification for extra > funding in one of the three years -- or to design a two year program. > > Thanks again. > > Franci > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Evelyn J. Ford [SMTP:xxxxxx@MAIL.MED.UPENN.EDU] > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:04 PM > > To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org > > Subject: Re: NIH-AREA (R15) budgets > > > > Franci -- > > > > Since you say this PI doesn't really have good justification for #1, and > > since #2 would significantly reduce the scope of the work proposed, my > > suggestion would be to use the appropriate modular total for your average > > of $33K/year, which would be $50K/year. Who knows what the feds will do > > when they see your detailed budget if this is funded -- maybe they'll give > > you two modules in Year 1 and and 1 module each in Years 2 and 3 (this is > > my own wild guess based on absolutely no information whatsoever! -- > > perhaps > > someone else out there could comment on that possibility), but I would go > > for $50K/year, UNLESS the scope of the project can be fit into 2 years > > (your option #3) @ $50K/year. > > > > If the PI is worried about being noncompetitive (even tho the study > > section > > is supposed to NOT consider the dollars), then I believe she will have to > > decide how she could fit her project into one of your 3 other scenarios, > > but I'd certainly try to persuade her to go with 2 modules/year for 3 > > years. > > > > -- Evelyn > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > Evelyn J. Ford, Manager, Accounting Operations > > Office of Research Support Services > > School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania > > 356 Anatomy-Chemistry Building > > 36th Street and Hamilton Walk > > Philadelphia PA 19104-6061 > > voice 215.573.1395 fax 215.573.8802 > > xxxxxx@mail.med.upenn.edu > > > > At 04:47 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >I'm looking for advice about preparing NIH-AREA budgets using modules. > > >I have a faculty member who needs about $33K per year for a standard > > three > > >year research program. She has no special, one-time needs, to justify an > > >extra module. As I understand the module system, she has three > > options: > > >1) Justify extra funding in Year 1 for extra supplies, small equipment, > > or > > >other first year costs and cut back on supplies and students in Years 2 & > > 3 > > >for a $100K budget. Presumably she could then spend less than > > anticipated > > >in Year 1 and carry it over to the later years -- but probably would be > > >expected to purchase some of those supplies and equipment. > > >2) Do a $75K budget -- which means cutting students, supplies, and/or > > >summer salary. > > >3) Do a $100K budget for two years -- which means adding supplies, > > >equipment, travel, and students. She probably wouldn't spend it all > > and > > >could request a no-cost extension but would end up having to reapply a > > year > > >sooner than currently planned. > > > > > >Am I missing something? There doesn't seem to be any way for her to > > run a > > >simple, balanced, three year program for $100K. > > > > > >Franci Farnsworth > > > > > >Frances Vinal Farnsworth > > >Coordinator of Sponsored Research > > >Munford House > > >MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE > > >Middlebury, VT 05753 > > >Tel: 802-443-5889 > > >Fax: 802-443-2081 > > >email: xxxxxx@middlebury.edu > > > > > > > > >====================================================================== > > > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > > >====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > > ====================================================================== > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== -- Peter J. 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