Thanks for the advice.    Unfortunately, I didn't mention that NIH-AREA
grants (R15) are limited to $100K for three years -- hence my math problem:
she can't apply for 2 modules per year for three years.     I was hoping for
advice from folks who've actually tried to make the numbers work for AREA
grants (though modules weren't required until the last deadline, so probably
not many out there have done this).        I want her to be able to get the
full $100K, but the only way would be to have a justification for extra
funding in one of the three years -- or to design a two year program.

Thanks again.

Franci

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evelyn J. Ford [SMTP:xxxxxx@MAIL.MED.UPENN.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:04 PM
> To:   xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject:      Re: NIH-AREA (R15) budgets
>
> Franci --
>
> Since you say this PI doesn't really have good justification for #1, and
> since #2 would significantly reduce the scope of the work proposed, my
> suggestion would be to use the appropriate modular total for your average
> of $33K/year, which would be $50K/year.  Who knows what the feds will do
> when they see your detailed budget if this is funded -- maybe they'll give
> you two modules in Year 1 and and 1 module each in Years 2 and 3 (this is
> my own wild guess based on absolutely no information whatsoever! --
> perhaps
> someone else out there could comment on that possibility), but I would go
> for $50K/year, UNLESS the scope of the project can be fit into 2 years
> (your option #3) @ $50K/year.
>
> If the PI is worried about being noncompetitive (even tho the study
> section
> is supposed to NOT consider the dollars), then I believe she will have to
> decide how she could fit her project into one of your 3 other scenarios,
> but I'd certainly try to persuade her to go with 2 modules/year for 3
> years.
>
> -- Evelyn
>
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> At 04:47 PM 8/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'm looking for advice about preparing NIH-AREA budgets using modules.
> >I have a faculty member who needs about $33K per year for a standard
> three
> >year research program.  She has no special, one-time needs, to justify an
> >extra module.    As I understand the module system, she has three
> options:
> >1)  Justify extra funding in Year 1 for extra supplies, small equipment,
> or
> >other first year costs and cut back on supplies and students in Years 2 &
> 3
> >for a $100K budget.  Presumably she could then spend less than
> anticipated
> >in Year 1 and carry it over to the later years -- but probably would be
> >expected to purchase some of those supplies and equipment.
> >2)  Do a $75K budget -- which means cutting students, supplies, and/or
> >summer salary.
> >3)  Do a $100K budget for two years -- which means adding supplies,
> >equipment, travel, and students.    She probably wouldn't spend it all
> and
> >could request a no-cost extension but would end up having to reapply a
> year
> >sooner than currently planned.
> >
> >Am I missing something?    There doesn't seem to be any way for her to
> run a
> >simple, balanced, three year program for $100K.
> >
> >Franci Farnsworth
> >
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