In response to Herb's question: We also had an application returned because the cpi was greater, in some parts of the text, than 15 cpi. We went through and measured each font size with a ruler (to check cpi and lines per inch). We found that CG Times 12 was best. We use Word 97 and an Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 4000 printer. Cindy Nelson Director, Research Services Texas Children's Cancer Center Department of Pediatrics Baylor College of Medicine email: xxxxxx@bcm.tmc.edu -----Original Message----- From: Automatic digest processor [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:00 PM To: Recipients of RESADM-L digests Subject: RESADM-L Digest - 21 May 1999 to 24 May 1999 There are 7 messages totalling 341 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. F&A rates for field work 2. Type Size (5) 3. Administrative position available ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:27:32 EST From: Richard Moore <xxxxxx@COASTAL.EDU> Subject: Re: F&A rates for field work Unless the researcher is working "off campus" at university owned/leased facilities, the on campus rate should apply. Dr. Richard H. Moore Assistant Vice President for Grants and Sponsored Research Coastal Carolina University Internet: xxxxxx@coastal.edu P.O. Box 261954 Voice: 843-349-2050 Conway SC 29528-6054 FAX: 843-349-2726 ***NOTE NEW AREA CODE*** ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:47:07 -0400 From: "Herbert B. Chermside" <xxxxxx@VCU.EDU> Subject: Type Size This has been discussed, but I lost my copies! What typeface and size has been discovered which meets NIH requirements on the 398? We have been using Times New Roman 10, but, based on a rejection from AHCPR, it has more than 15 Characters per inch. This is a critical question, as we have been providing "fill in the blanks" 398 forms for the June/July deadline with this typaface/size. Chuck Herbert B. Chermside, CRA Director, Sponsored Programs Administration Virginia Commonwealth University PO BOX 980568 Richmond, VA 23298-0568 Express Delivery Only: Sanger Hall, Rm. 1-073 11th & Marshall Streets Richmond, VA 23219 Voice: 804-828-6772 Fax 804-828-2521 OFFICE e-mail xxxxxx@VCU.EDU Personal e-mail xxxxxx@vcu.edu http://views.vcu.edu/views/ospa/ ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:56:12 -0400 From: "John Whyte, M.D. Ph.D." <xxxxxx@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> Subject: Administrative position available Moss Rehabilitation Research Institute in Philadelphia is seeking a part time scientific administrator to perform advanced level strategic planning and budget development; represent MRRI in marketing and development activities; develop and implement new and existing research policies; develop research systems for managing information and prompting key events. The candidate must possess excellent analytical and fiscal modeling skills and good computer skills. The position requires prior research experience; a PhD in a scientific discipline and federal funding track record are desireable. Responses should be sent electronically to John Whyte, MD, PhD, Director, at: xxxxxx@vm.temple.edu. Resumes can also be sent by mail to: John Whyte, MD, PhD Director Moss Rehabilitation Research Institute 1200 W. Tabor Rd. Philadelphia PA 19141 ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:11:05 -0400 From: "Morgan, Jennifer" <xxxxxx@MSX.UPMC.EDU> Subject: Re: Type Size Chuck- There is great variability between different computer-printer-software configurations, thus, what works for me will not necessarily work for you. Almost without fail, though, Times Roman 10 won't work. Try Times Roman 11, it might. It may seem an antiquated practice, but this is what I still do... if a proposal looks like the typeface might be questionable, I perform the following ritual: 1. get out my trusty ruler 2. measure 3 inches of text 3. count the characters 4. divide by 15. If you come up with an answer that is greater than 3.0, increase your font size. Also remember to measure to insure that you don't have more than 6 lines per vertical inch. I've seen applications returned for that one, too. -Jennifer Jennifer Morgan, M.H.A. Director, Office of Grants and Contracts Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Health Systems 3811 O'Hara Street, Pittsburgh PA 15213 Voice: 412-624-0743 Fax: 412-624-0714 > -----Original Message----- > From: Herbert B. Chermside [mailto:xxxxxx@VCU.EDU] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 3:47 PM > To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org > Subject: Type Size > > > This has been discussed, but I lost my copies! > > What typeface and size has been discovered which meets NIH > requirements on > the 398? We have been using Times New Roman 10, but, based > on a rejection > from AHCPR, it has more than 15 Characters per inch. > > This is a critical question, as we have been providing "fill > in the blanks" > 398 forms for the June/July deadline with this typaface/size. > > Chuck > > Herbert B. Chermside, CRA > Director, Sponsored Programs Administration > Virginia Commonwealth University > PO BOX 980568 > Richmond, VA 23298-0568 > Express Delivery Only: > Sanger Hall, Rm. 1-073 > 11th & Marshall Streets > Richmond, VA 23219 > Voice: 804-828-6772 > Fax 804-828-2521 > OFFICE e-mail xxxxxx@VCU.EDU > Personal e-mail xxxxxx@vcu.edu > http://views.vcu.edu/views/ospa/ > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:08:49 -0400 From: Audrey Buck <xxxxxx@POBOX.UPENN.EDU> Subject: Re: Type Size The instructions in the 398 book state "the height of the letters must not be small than 10 point; 2) type density must be no more than 15 cpi. Have you tried the 12 point? With that you should get less than the 15 cpi. Remember, also, that "no more than 6 lines of type must be within a vertical inch." At 03:47 PM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >This has been discussed, but I lost my copies! > >What typeface and size has been discovered which meets NIH requirements on >the 398? We have been using Times New Roman 10, but, based on a rejection >from AHCPR, it has more than 15 Characters per inch. > >This is a critical question, as we have been providing "fill in the blanks" >398 forms for the June/July deadline with this typaface/size. > >Chuck > >Herbert B. Chermside, CRA >Director, Sponsored Programs Administration >Virginia Commonwealth University >PO BOX 980568 >Richmond, VA 23298-0568 >Express Delivery Only: > Sanger Hall, Rm. 1-073 > 11th & Marshall Streets > Richmond, VA 23219 >Voice: 804-828-6772 >Fax 804-828-2521 >OFFICE e-mail xxxxxx@VCU.EDU >Personal e-mail xxxxxx@vcu.edu >http://views.vcu.edu/views/ospa/ > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > > Audrey C. Buck Senior Contract Administrator Research Services Phone: (215) 573 6709 Fax: (215) 898 9708 email: xxxxxx@pobox.upenn.edu ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:07:28 -0500 From: "Peter J. Dolce" <xxxxxx@CCVAX.MMC.EDU> Subject: Re: Type Size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0FAC25B256BE2C110FC87C1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto to what Jennifer says: count'em because the same number of points produces different characters per inch in different fonts. Times Roman 10 is too small and can be spotted easily. Times Roman 11 may not produce an average count above 15 cpi, but in a phrase like "illigitimate lilliputian" it can. Times Roman 12 is always safe, but it sure is big. About five years ago we had one application returned by NIH and another by NSF becasue the type was too small. (In each case the SRA let the PI return corrected copies in a few days for the same review cycle). None has been returned since, and NIH regularly accepts our applications in 11 point Times Roman. But we give a stern warning to 10 pointers: type that small is unlikely to win the heart of a reviewer who submits all her applications in 11 and 12 point type--and the difference is EASY to see. Why is it that PIs have such difficulty understanding that professional who daily handle such tricky notions as titer and joules have such a hard time understading the concept of "characters per inch"? --------------0FAC25B256BE2C110FC87C1C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dolcep19.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Peter J. Dolce Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dolcep19.vcf" begin:vcard n:Dolce;Peter tel;fax:615 327 6716 tel;work:615 327 6703 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Meharry Medical College adr:;;1005 Todd Boulevard;Nashville;TN ;37208; version:2.1 email;internet:xxxxxx@ccvax.mmc.edu title:Director, Research Support Services x-mozilla-cpt:;-6960 fn:Peter J. 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