Good point.  I would have no way to know if there were human subjects or
animal subjects involved if an internal proposal did not go through the
grants office.

"Peter J. Dolce" <xxxxxx@CCVAX.MMC.EDU> on 02/02/99 09:08:58 AM

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 Subject: Re: When is a grant a grant?

I'm curious to know how the university detects projects involving human
subjects,
animals or recombinant DNA in these internally-managed grant programs.
We're a
private institution, but from time to time one of our schools finds funds
(usually from a private sponsor) with which to run an internal competition.
We
in the sponsored research office don't process the applications; since we
are the
university's sensor for the regulatory committees, the university has no
formal
way of monitoring these competitions for animals, human subjects or rDNA.
Usually the person running the competition is conscientious about letting
us
know, but . . . . trust but verify.  How do y'all verify?

Janet Hahn wrote:

> We are a state university.  "Budget initiatives" to the state to fund
> specific programs are submitted each year.  When awarded, funding is
> accomplished through an increase in the university's operating budget
> that year or that pair of years.  It does not go through our Research
> and Sponsored Programs office and although there is a strict university
> procedure for submitting such initiatives, it is not the same as ours.
> No indirect costs are awarded.  It is simply a way for the General
> Assembly to add  a little extra to the operating budget of one school or
> another on a one-time basis to do something.  Janet
>
> Nancy Peterson wrote:
> >
> > Our institution has a policy of redistirbuting indirect costs to
various
> > cost centers on campus.  This applies to all grants from external
sources,
> > including state offices.  The University is also part of a state
system.
> > Recently, one of our departments received a "grant" from our system
office,
> > through a competitive process requiring submission of a proposal.
These
> > funds are awarded to us as part of the funds we are allocated from the
> > system office, not as "separate" funds. My Business Office is saying
the
> > award is not a grant and the indirect costs policy does not apply.  The
> > faculty are claiming the same thing and they are claiming that normal
grant
> > review/submission procedures do not apply.
> >
> > Anybody ever have this type of issue come up before?  Comments?
> > Suggestions?  When is a grant a grant?
> >
> > Nancy Kay Peterson
> > Director of Grants
> > Somsen Hall Room 202-C
> > Winona State University
> > Winona, MN  55987
> > Phone:  507.457.5519
> > FAX:      507.457.2415
> > Web:     http://www.winona.msus.edu/grants/index.html
> >
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