Re: Do people need help with proposal writing? Sally Eckert-Tilotta (Sally Eckert-Tilotta) 24 Apr 1998 09:00 EST
Bob pretty well expressed my sentiments on the subject. If there is reason to be concerned about the PI not being the author of the proposal, then a number of researchers are in trouble. It is not uncommon to require post-docs (and grad students, although I don't think that practice is as common) to write proposals to support their work, and these are submitted under the researcher's name . *************************************************** Sally Eckert-Tilotta, PhD, Assistant to the Director Office of Research and Program Development University of North Dakota Grand Forks, ND 58202 email: xxxxxx@mail.und.nodak.edu tel: 701-777-2049 fax: 701-777-2504 >>> Bob Beattie <xxxxxx@UMICH.EDU> 04/24 8:03 AM >>> See full text of original message below but consider this comment: "...the PI signing the proposal could be guilty of misconduct by assuming responsibility for the work of another. " What is the "work" in question? The proposal is a description of a project to be done. Cannot anyone write the description as long as the person(s) indicated in the description actually carries out the project? While I would agree with many of those writing earlier that faculty should be able to write their own proposals, I can see circumstances where collective writing or even primary writing by someone other than the PI might be needed. Is a proposal to be awarded based on the quality of the proposal writing or on the merits of the project and the ability of those proposed to do the project. I think the latter two. True, the quality of the proposal writing might be an indicator of the abiltiy of the PI to do the work; a vita better indicates that persons cabability. In situations where a number of faculty, from different units, are collaborationg in a large project, is it not usually the case that only one person would "write" the proposal. Anyway, I cannot support the position that a PI must be the author of a proposal as long as the PI can and will do the work described. Bob Beattie Research Development and Administration The University of Michigan xxxxxx@umich.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ >From: Research Administration Discussion List on Thu, Apr 23, 1998 5:47 PM >Subject: Do people need help with proposal writing? >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org > > I believe there is no question that assistance in reviewing and >editing of professional papers and proposals is an accepted and valuable >practice. However, I would like to raise a slightly different issue that I >think needs to be considered. If a proposal is written largely by one >individual and another signs it as the PI, then I think the PI signing the >proposal could be guilty of misconduct by assuming responsibility for the >work of another. I know that "ghost writing" is a generally accepted >practice, but I believe it should be avoided for many reasons, including >this one. > > >Terry A. May, Ph.D. Voice: 520-523-6788 > Director of Research Administration FAX: 520-523-1075 > Office of Grant & Contract Services INTERNET: xxxxxx@nau.edu > 100 Babbitt Admin. Ctr., Box 4130 > Northern Arizona University > Flagstaff, AZ 86011-4130 > >------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >Received: by mail3.drda.umich.edu with ADMIN;23 Apr 1998 17:44:25 -0400 >Received: (from xxxxxx@localhost) > by redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.5/2.5) with X.500 id RAA27346; Thu, 23 Apr >1998 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hrinet.org >(hriweb1.wadsworth.org [199.184.19.20]) > by redheat.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.5/2.5) with SMTP id RAA27302; Thu, 23 Apr >1998 17:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hriweb1 by mail.hrinet.org >(SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id RAA04923; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:25:41 -0400 >Received: from HRINET.ORG by HRINET.ORG (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8c) with > spool id 0209 for xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:22:53 >-0400 Received: from mailgate.nau.edu by mail.hrinet.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id > RAA04849; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:22:51 -0400 >Received: from [134.114.24.95] (mac6.grad.nau.edu) by mailgate.nau.edu (PMDF > V5.1-10 #29067) with SMTP id <xxxxxx@mailgate.nau.edu> for > xxxxxx@hrinet.org; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:27:45 -0700 (MST) >X-Sender: xxxxxx@nau.edu >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Message-ID: <xxxxxx@[134.114.24.95]> >Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:30:54 -0700 >Reply-To: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@hrinet.org> >Sender: Research Administration List <xxxxxx@hrinet.org> >From: "Terry A. May" <xxxxxx@NAU.EDU> >Subject: Do people need help with proposal writing? >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org