Bill-

Your response overlooks a key parameter outside the controls of the
research administrator - sponsor imposed deadlines.  Additionally, your
comments minimize the necessary and value added step of institutional
review.  Applying technology that uses a rules-based workflow application
for proposal development and submission would move us toward "anytime,
anyplace" service.

Until such time that 1) sponsors move toward "anytime, anyplace" deadlines;
2) institutions allow faculty to submit grants directly to sponsors without
institutional certification; 3) and a fully integrated user-friendly
software application is developed and complimentary infrastructure is in
place, internal institutional deadlines are necessary.

-Paul
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E. Paul Weidner
e-mail: xxxxxx@mail.med.upenn.edu

>>Date:         Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:13:05 -0500
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>>From: Bill Kirby <xxxxxx@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>>From: Research Administration Discussion Group
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>>X-From:       Bill Kirby <xxxxxx@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>>Subject:      Re: Internal Proposal Submission deadline survey -Reply -Reply
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>>To: Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L <xxxxxx@health.state.ny.us>
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>>I have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Seems like many
>>institutions try to enforce deadline limits, with predictable results. I
>>know this will provoke a firestorm: Why is it that when every other
>>"business" that I can think of is trying to move toward "anytime, anyplace"
>>service in order to stay competitive, some research administrators are
>>trying to "draw lines in the sand"? I realize proposals are not anything
>>like sending flowers at the last moment, but come on folks... Is this the
>>way to add value to the process?
>>
>>Bill Kirby
>>xxxxxx@worldnet.att.net
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gerald McCulloh <xxxxxx@WPO.IT.LUC.EDU>; Research Administration
>>Discussion Group <xxxxxx@health.state.ny.us>
>>To: Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L <xxxxxx@health.state.ny.us>
>>Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 5:51 PM
>>Subject: Internal Proposal Submission deadline survey -Reply -Reply
>>
>>
>>>Lines drawn in the sand. No there's a metaphor whose time has come.
>>>The formal statement of a deadline policy is needed to protect staff
>>>from thoughtless abuse by those who make their own emergency everyone
>>>else's. The frequent exception is appropriate accommodation to an
>>>imperfect world. Too much time solving the dilemma is better spent
>>>elsewhere. My next line in the sand is____________________
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