It's always an option for the signatory authority to sign the application
with a note to the file (and investigator) that there was insufficient time
for a thorough review, and that if there are any portions of the grant
which deviate from the accepted standards at the institution, the
institution has the option to withdraw the application.  That way, the thing
gets out the door, but if some big gorilla jumps out at you when you
finally do rhoroughly review it (like cost sharing or ethical problems),
you've given the institution an avenue of escape.

We are, after all, here for the researchers, not the other way around.

-Jennifer

>>> Marcia Weis <xxxxxx@PATH.UAB.EDU> 02/25/98 06:27pm >>>
Bill, this is what I've been thinking about while reading these.  Yes,
it is frustrating when proposals come in at inconvenient times and/or
the last minute.  Of course, a lot could have been averted by better
planning on the part of the PI.  However, we are here to further the
success of our investigators and our institutions.  Not submitting the
proposal that just could have made a difference to the career of the
investigator, the status of the institution, or to the world at large
because it didn't get in the appropriate number of days in advance would
be a real shame . . . and we would be to blame.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Kirby [SMTP:xxxxxx@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 12:13 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L
> Subject:      Re: Internal Proposal Submission deadline survey -Reply
> -Reply
>
> I have been following this thread with a lot of interest. Seems like
> many
> institutions try to enforce deadline limits, with predictable results.
> I
> know this will provoke a firestorm: Why is it that when every other
> "business" that I can think of is trying to move toward "anytime,
> anyplace"
> service in order to stay competitive, some research administrators are
> trying to "draw lines in the sand"? I realize proposals are not
> anything
> like sending flowers at the last moment, but come on folks... Is this
> the
> way to add value to the process?
>
> Bill Kirby
> xxxxxx@worldnet.att.net
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald McCulloh <xxxxxx@WPO.IT.LUC.EDU>; Research
> Administration
> Discussion Group <xxxxxx@health.state.ny.us>
> To: Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L <xxxxxx@health.state.ny.us>
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 5:51 PM
> Subject: Internal Proposal Submission deadline survey -Reply -Reply
>
>
> >Lines drawn in the sand. No there's a metaphor whose time has
come.
> >The formal statement of a deadline policy is needed to protect staff
> >from thoughtless abuse by those who make their own emergency
everyone
> >else's. The frequent exception is appropriate accommodation to an
> >imperfect world. Too much time solving the dilemma is better spent
> >elsewhere. My next line in the sand is____________________