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Re: transfer of NIH grant Naegel, Gary P. 21 Sep 1995 08:20 EST

We have had numerous exchanges of international students and P.I.'s and
their respective NIH funding.   We have never arranged a sub-contract,
however, in my experience.   When students/P.I./NIH grant(s)  transfer to
another institution, the students continue to work on their thesis projects
under the P.I. in the new institution, and are paid directly from the grant
at the new institution as "Visiting" graduate students/Assistants in
Research.   The degree has been granted from the original institution,
making sure the communication between the: graduate student/P.I./Director of
<dept> Graduate Studies/Graduate School officials/Office of Foreign Scholars
and Students, are all fully apprised of the situation.

 In these cases where students have completed their didactic  course work,
the only cost due to the original institution might be a nominal continuous
registration fee each year.  We have just encountered a transfer this
summer, whereby the student moved to the new institution with the P.I. and
grant in September.  This also, happened to coincide with the
renewal/extension of his visa, which always makes the issue more complex.
 The new institution could not technically pay this individual since the
original visa was made for Yale, and had to wait for the official transfer
to be processed.   The good news was that this process was successfully
completed and they will be able to pay him starting in October.   In
anticipation of this change, we arranged to set up a purchase order for his
stipend with the new institution (paying his stipend through Yale), pending
the outcome(timing) of change in visa.   This was done after extensive
research and approval from all of the appropriate offices at each
institution.

Every situation is always a little different due to  various visas from the
country of origin, as well as the   administrative/financial policies/
requirements from each of the two  academic institutions.   However, to
answer your concerns, you should be able to create a win/win/win for
everyone.

Gary P. Naegel
Administrator, Pharmacology
Yale School of Medicine
333 Cedar Street  P.O. 208066
New Haven, CT  06520-8066
(203) 785-4373
FAX: (203) 785-7670
xxxxxx@yale.edu
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From: Kathy Sukanek
To: Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L
Subject: Re: transfer of NIH grant
Date: Wednesday, September 20, 1995 3:34PM

I recently encountered a problem with the transfer of an NIH grant
from another institution to UM. The transfer involves international
graduate students, who have student visas, who are finished with
their course work at the  originating institution, but not their
dissertation  and who would like to graduate from the originating
institution.
The PI would like them to complete their research and dissertation work
 with him at UM.  We thought to protect both  the students' status at the
 originating institution and their  visa status  by arranging a subcontract
to
 the
 originating institution to cover  the payments to the students and their
fees
 at the originating institution. Their status at the home institution would
thus be protected and they would simply  be working off-site at UM on
research. I had seen this type of arrangement done on a DOD award.
 The problem is that the NIH grants specialist has indicated such
a subcontract is not allowable with NIH. The students either have to
move totally to UM, or if we plan to subcontract they must  stay at the
 originating institution under the direction of another PI.
 Has anyone had experience with this kind of situation? How
did you handle it? We would like to make it a win-win situation, not
a win-lose situation for both the PI and  international students
respectively.
the
direction of another PI
Kathleen L. Sukanek
Associate Director of Research
Office of Research

University, MS 38677
     (601)232-7482
Fax: (601)232-7577
Internet: xxxxxx@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu