Len, I think you have compiled an admiral list of reasons why indirect costs have historically been necessary and significant costs in the business of sponsored research. After returning from the SRA Meeting in Seattle last week, the NIH staff appear to be in more agreement with your dilemma than the congressional oversight committees. Perception is a powerful tool and it has definitely shaped what the congress and general public believe to be the facts. One possible solution might be to re-name these costs for what they are, eg. "Administrative and Facility Costs", for the "Indirect Cost" name seems to imply a cost that is less than sincere or honest on the part of the recipient institutions. The current erosion of this base has definitely challenged the budget of every leading academic institution with a robust research enterprise. It is definitely interesting to hear the other point of view from the non-federal sponsors of research. At Yale, we receive awards from private foundations, etc. that have specified exclusions or limits on their indirect support. It is imperative to have this information upfront, as you mentioned, during the pre-award process. It has been understood that many smaller foundations do not have the financial strength to include indirect support. You have been quite correct in pointing out that post-award requirements for technology transfer, patent rights, information disclosure, financial and scientific reports, etc., generate real costs that were not identified in the original proposal. Additionally, nearly all of the "direct costs" listed in the proposal, generate a direct cost for procurements of goods and services, expense reimbursements, personnel payrolls, etc. I think you idea of having a forum/dialogue between non-federal sponsoring agencies and recipient institutions of research would help both sides of the equation!!! Gary P. Naegel Administrator, Department of Pharmacology Yale School of Medicine (203) 785-4373 xxxxxx@Maspo1.mas.yale.edu ---------- From: RESADM-L To: Multiple recipients of list RESADM-L Subject: Re: administrative fee Date: Tuesday, October 18, 1994 9:27AM "Sherry A. Marts" <xxxxxx@AOL.COM> writes: > >I am the research grants director for a small private foundation that >provides grants for research on Alzheimer's disease, glaucoma, and heart >disease and stroke. I'm delighted to see more individuals from the sponsoring agency side of the ledger in this group, your perspective is both interesting and important. >The foundation I work for does not pay indirect costs. >The Board of Directors believe this is necessary because the money for the >grants comes from contributions from the general public, and our contributors >would want all of the grant funds to go to research. I realize this is a >perception problem, and that indirect costs are part of the cost of doing >research, but that "indirect" or "administrative" tag is enough to set the >BoD's teeth on edge. Most, if not all, research institutions will accept the IDC policies of foundations, charities and voluntary health organizations. They will also abide by the published policies of those agencies, so that if your organization prohibits any administrative costs, I doubt that you'd see too many proposals from grantees trying to sneak one past you. The key, however, is that grantees need to know up front what the ground rules are! >The other reason why charities like the one I work for don't pay indirect >costs. It is accepted practice in non-profit accounting to include such costs >as in-kind contributions to the charity. This means that if we give a $100K >grant to a university and that university's indirect cost rate is 60%, we get >to add a $60,000 contribution to our revenue for the year. This is fascinating! Doesn't this practice have an impact on the amount of funding you are required to distribute annually? I was under the impression that IRS rules require that foundations distribute a certain percentage of their capital each year. By including in-kind contributions (we would normally refer to such as cost sharing) as revenue, don't you affect how much of your capital has to be distributed? >I want to warn against trying to hide indirect costs in a budget that is >supposed to include only direct costs. We have run across this a few times >and have required that the budget be re-done >before we issued the check for the grant. If we were to find out that an >institution had used funds from our grant for indirect or administrative >costs, we would consider that a serious violation of the terms of the grant >award and would take whatever action seemed appropriate, and would consider >turning back any future applications from that institution. I assume that somewhere in your published guidelines you would explicitly prohibit such administrative costs as part of the grant's budget. Correct? >A more constructive way to address this issue would be to assemble all the >arguments in favor of private foundations/ charities paying indirect costs. Here goes a first attempt at this: 1. American universities and academic health centers are experiencing one of the most devastating economic periods in their history. The impact of the recession of the late '80s/early '90s has resulted in significantly reduced charitable contributions (sound familiar?), and the realignments of the health insurance industry have reduced clinical income. Thus, whereas in the past universities and health centers could absorb certain costs by cost shifting within their own macro budgets, the flexibility to do so is eroding faster than anyone imagined 5 years ago. Nowadays, if our cost centers do not generate revenue, then their value is examined constantly, and we cannot provide services which do not pay for themselves. 2. The American research university system was developed after WWII as a resource which met a critical national need, and was financed largely by the federal gov't. The infrastructure developed to support this research enterprise was financed through the IDC policy of the gov't. And that infrastructure is significant. You can't run a major research university without buildings, power, admin. services, etc. To the best of my knowledge, the critical national need for a continued strong research university system has not been disputed, or debated. 3. Despite the acceptance by all sectors that this resource needs to be maintained, the federal gov't.'s share of funding research has (and continues to) declined. In 1985, the federal share of all R&D expenditures in the U.S. was 46%; in 1993, it was only 42%. (Source: NSF Science and Engineering Indicators, 1993). 4. The university share of all U.S. R&D expenditures has increased since 1985, up from 9% to 13%. 5. Universities are rapidly approaching the point where they can no longer afford to increase their share of supporting the infrastructure, and either the funds to support this will have to come from sources which were not aggressively asked to contribute in the past, or the enterprise will begin to shrink. 6. Private supporters of research attach, for good reason, a number of requirements on the award of grants, e.g., fiscal reports, human and animal research clearances, etc. These services cost! Yes, we have to provide them for federally sponsored programs anyway, but the time may be coming when we'll no longer be able to provide them for all grantors, only those which agree to pay for them. Already some institutions are accepting awards with reduced IDC rates if the sponsor agrees to forgo annual fiscal reports, technology transfer limitations, etc. Maybe the time will come when universities will limit the human/animal subjects clearances only to those grantors which agree to pay for them. I certainly hope not, but my guess is that this question is being considered somewhere in the U.S. Anyway, I've spent far too much time musing here that I should, and invite anyone else to respond to, or build upon, my comments. Len -------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard P. Paplauskas Assistant Vice President for Research | 203-679-3173 University of Connecticut Health Center | FAX 679-2670 Farmington, CT 06030-5355 | | xxxxxx@sun.uchc.edu | xxxxxx@neuron.uchc.edu | --------------------------------------------------------------------