Re: Grant Approvals Gregory K. Schmidt 09 Mar 2012 23:42 EST
Don't EVEN get me stsrted on PARs! Every person with more than one "A-21" activity got a. Monthly 100% activity report. I had an employee dedicated to to tracking them. I lost the job trying to fix that! Mike McCallister <xxxxxx@GRANTSTREETSERVICES.COM> wrote: >Oh god yes. Effort reports, as important as they are, are wild estimates >that most folks couldn't back up at gunpoint. Too many signatures? Who >would be reading and checking that silliness? And based on what? >Silliness, thy name is administration. > > > >Spanky > > > >From: Research Administration List >[mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Theresa Defino >Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:17 PM >To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals > > > >Does this happen for other things, too, like effort reports? > >Kind regards, > >Theresa Defino > >Editor > >Report on Research Compliance > > <mailto:xxxxxx@aol.com> xxxxxx@aol.com > >301-738-3721 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Schoen, Alexander < <mailto:xxxxxx@WINTHROP.ORG> >xxxxxx@WINTHROP.ORG> >To: RESADM-L < <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:15 pm >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals > >More signatures = less accountability > > > >Alex > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [ ><mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org?> >mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Mike McCallister >Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:06 AM >To: <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals > > > >Please, not in front of the children. > > > >Spanky > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Research Administration List > >[ <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org?> >mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of K.Monae Consulting > >Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:15 AM > >To: <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals > > > >I'm not particularly grouchy about this either...but I could hug you for > >this post right now! LOL > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Mike McCallister < ><mailto:xxxxxx@GRANTSTREETSERVICES.COM> xxxxxx@GRANTSTREETSERVICES.COM> > >wrote: > > > >> I've found over the years that the smaller the school, the more signatures > >you have to get. My personal best is a school with 12 signatures. No > >kidding, 12. Great big schools? Maybe 3-- Chair, Dean and Designated > >Signatory. All those extra signatures are silly in our opinion, but those > >who sign want desperately to be seen as part of the CONTROL function, even > >though when something goes wrong all that poop slides downhill onto the > >research administrators head. "You should have known." Right, that's why a > >secret is called a "secret." Trying to reduce the institution's standing > >plan for signatures is just like poking a bunch of bears with a stick. > >Everyone wants to appear to be involved, even when it is screamingly obvious > >their participation is just window dressing. It just makes me nuts, but > >then this is also the nature of organizations that is replete with amateur > >administrators-- none were trained to manage anything and they meet the > >clueless standard far too of! > >te! > >> n. > >> > >> Not that I am particularly grouchy about this. > >> > >> Really. > >> > >> Spanky > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Research Administration List > >> [ <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org?> >mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Gregory K. > >> Schmidt > >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:39 PM > >> To: <mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org > >> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals > >> > >> In my humble opinion, there are several on your list I'd drop. > >> > >> 1. President > >> 2. VP of IA > >> 3. VP Student affairs > >> 4. VP Enrollment > >> 5. VP Admin > >> > >> I would add > >> 1. School dean/Dept chair > >> > >> That's 3 approvals, maybe 4. Why so few? Do you really think the > >President reads all grant apps? Why would Student affairs need to approve > >a grant about Wombats? > >> > >> Give those I took off the list a monthly report (PI, Title, Sponsor, $, > >etc.). > >> > >> The more signers on a document, the less reviewn there actually is. If > >the Pres signs off, who will say no? I'm an overworked VP of Student > >Affairs. I don't have time for this! Surely the VP Admin will catch > >anything wrong. I'll sign and pass it on. > >> > >> Don't think it happens? Every single org I've either worked for, or > >consulted has had these issues. Every one of them with errors. > >> > >> " <mailto:xxxxxx@mcdaniel.edu> xxxxxx@mcdaniel.edu" < ><mailto:xxxxxx@MCDANIEL.EDU> xxxxxx@MCDANIEL.EDU> wrote: > >> > >>> Quite a while ago (perhaps almost a year) I sent an email out asking what > >sort of lead time your office/school requires for the grant approval > >process. I am revisiting that topic, as I am trying to prepare a policy > >change for my institution. > >>> > >>> Who at your institution has to sign off on a grant for it to be > >submitted? Oddly enough, our institutional policy does not include the PI or > >the Department Chair. Right now we require: > >>> > >>> * Director of Grants (myself) > >>> * President > >>> * Provost > >>> * VP for Administration and Finance > >>> * VP for Institutional Advancement > >>> * VP for Student Affairs > >>> * VP for Enrollment Management/Dean of Admission > >>> > >>> As you can imagine this takes a lot of work and coordination, and policy > >has always been a 30 day lead time on all grants submitted. If any one of > >these people objects, changes have to be made to the proposal or it simply > >does not get submitted. > >>> > >>> I figure as we are trying to transition to electronic approvals, it is a > >good time to make other changes as well. Any data I can have from other > >institutions, especially small PUI's/Liberal Arts institutions, would be > >extremely helpful. > >>> > >>> Thank you for all your input! > >>> > >>> Robin > >>> > >>> ********************************************** > >>> Robin N Dewey, MS, CRA > >>> Director, Office of Academic and Government Grants McDaniel College > >>> 2 College Hill > >>> Westminster, MD 21157-4390 > >>> Voice: 410-386-4699 > >>> Cell: 585-797-8536 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ===================================================================== > >>> = Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >>> via our web site at <http://www.healthresearch.org> >http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the > >>> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) > >>> > >>> A link directly to helpful tips: <http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help> >http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help > >>> ===================================================================== > >>> = > >> > >> > >> ====================================================================== > >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >> via our web site at <http://www.healthresearch.org> >http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the > >> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) > >> > >> A link directly to helpful tips: <http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help> >http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help > >> ====================================================================== > >> > >> > >> ====================================================================== > >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >> via our web site at <http://www.healthresearch.org> >http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the > >> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) > >> > >> A link directly to helpful tips: <http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help> >http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help > >> ====================================================================== > > > > > >====================================================================== > >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via > >our web site at <http://www.healthresearch.org> >http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link > >in the upper right corner) > > > >A link directly to helpful tips: <http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help> >http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help > >====================================================================== > > > > > >====================================================================== > >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >via our web site at <http://www.healthresearch.org> >http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the > >"LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) > > > >A link directly to helpful tips: <http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help> >http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help > >====================================================================== > > >----- >The information contained in this e-mail is confidential, privileged, or >otherwise protected from disclosure. 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