Re: Grant Approvals Gregory K. Schmidt 09 Mar 2012 21:57 EST
In my humble opinion... We all work together more than we are with our families. If it isn't fun........? What's the point? You're either in the wrong org, wrong section, or wrong occupation. Which is why I reinvent myself every 4 to 6 years. Maggie Griscavage <xxxxxx@ALASKA.EDU> wrote: >what a fabulous piece of entertainment for a Friday afternoon - and what a >great confirmation that research admins have the most amazing sense of >humor in the world!!! AND, yes, we can get things done with fewer >signatures, not more... > >I never pass up a 'Charles' or 'Spanky' response...have a great weekend, my >friends! >maggie > >G. Maggie Griscavage, CRA, GWCCM >Director, Office of Grants & Contracts Administration >Authorized University Representative >University of Alaska Fairbanks > > > > >On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gregory K. Schmidt <xxxxxx@verizon.net>wrote: > >> I'm just a curmudgeon now. >> >> Lorrie Anthony <xxxxxx@ESC.EDU> wrote: >> >> >I used to be grouchy. As one who works at a small campus and who used to >> >chase after 8 administrative signatures, I got tired of being an overpaid >> >gofer. Even with electronic signatures I was spending way too much time >> >going after folks who really didn't care. I have now gotten the >> >signatures whittled down to the dean (we have no department chairs), the >> >President, the Provost, and the VP for Administration. All of the folks >> >have a reason to care and are very good with a timely response. >> > >> > >> > >> >From: "K.Monae Consulting" <xxxxxx@GMAIL.COM> >> >To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org >> >Date: 03/09/2012 11:32 AM >> >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals >> >Sent by: Research Administration List >> ><xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org> >> > >> > >> > >> >I'm not particularly grouchy about this either...but I could hug you for >> >this post right now! LOL >> > >> >Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > >> >On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Mike McCallister >> ><xxxxxx@GRANTSTREETSERVICES.COM> wrote: >> > >> >> I've found over the years that the smaller the school, the more >> >signatures you have to get. My personal best is a school with 12 >> >signatures. No kidding, 12. Great big schools? Maybe 3-- Chair, Dean >> >and Designated Signatory. All those extra signatures are silly in our >> >opinion, but those who sign want desperately to be seen as part of the >> >CONTROL function, even though when something goes wrong all that poop >> >slides downhill onto the research administrators head. "You should have >> >known." Right, that's why a secret is called a "secret." Trying to >> >reduce the institution's standing plan for signatures is just like poking >> >a bunch of bears with a stick. Everyone wants to appear to be involved, >> >even when it is screamingly obvious their participation is just window >> >dressing. It just makes me nuts, but then this is also the nature of >> >organizations that is replete with amateur administrators-- none were >> >trained to manage anything and they meet the clueless standard far too of! >> > te! >> >> n. >> >> >> >> Not that I am particularly grouchy about this. >> >> >> >> Really. >> >> >> >> Spanky >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Research Administration List [ >> >mailto:xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] On Behalf Of Gregory K. Schmidt >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:39 PM >> >> To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org >> >> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Approvals >> >> >> >> In my humble opinion, there are several on your list I'd drop. >> >> >> >> 1. President >> >> 2. VP of IA >> >> 3. VP Student affairs >> >> 4. VP Enrollment >> >> 5. VP Admin >> >> >> >> I would add >> >> 1. School dean/Dept chair >> >> >> >> That's 3 approvals, maybe 4. Why so few? Do you really think the >> >President reads all grant apps? Why would Student affairs need to approve >> > a grant about Wombats? >> >> >> >> Give those I took off the list a monthly report (PI, Title, Sponsor, $, >> >etc.). >> >> >> >> The more signers on a document, the less reviewn there actually is. If >> >the Pres signs off, who will say no? I'm an overworked VP of Student >> >Affairs. I don't have time for this! Surely the VP Admin will catch >> >anything wrong. I'll sign and pass it on. >> >> >> >> Don't think it happens? Every single org I've either worked for, or >> >consulted has had these issues. Every one of them with errors. >> >> >> >> "xxxxxx@mcdaniel.edu" <xxxxxx@MCDANIEL.EDU> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Quite a while ago (perhaps almost a year) I sent an email out asking >> >what sort of lead time your office/school requires for the grant approval >> >process. I am revisiting that topic, as I am trying to prepare a policy >> >change for my institution. >> >>> >> >>> Who at your institution has to sign off on a grant for it to be >> >submitted? Oddly enough, our institutional policy does not include the PI >> >or the Department Chair. Right now we require: >> >>> >> >>> * Director of Grants (myself) >> >>> * President >> >>> * Provost >> >>> * VP for Administration and Finance >> >>> * VP for Institutional Advancement >> >>> * VP for Student Affairs >> >>> * VP for Enrollment Management/Dean of Admission >> >>> >> >>> As you can imagine this takes a lot of work and coordination, and >> >policy has always been a 30 day lead time on all grants submitted. If any >> >one of these people objects, changes have to be made to the proposal or it >> >simply does not get submitted. >> >>> >> >>> I figure as we are trying to transition to electronic approvals, it is >> >a good time to make other changes as well. Any data I can have from other >> >institutions, especially small PUI's/Liberal Arts institutions, would be >> >extremely helpful. >> >>> >> >>> Thank you for all your input! >> >>> >> >>> Robin >> >>> >> >>> ********************************************** >> >>> Robin N Dewey, MS, CRA >> >>> Director, Office of Academic and Government Grants McDaniel College >> >>> 2 College Hill >> >>> Westminster, MD 21157-4390 >> >>> Voice: 410-386-4699 >> >>> Cell: 585-797-8536 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ====================================================================== >> >>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> >>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> >>> via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the >> >>> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) >> >>> >> >>> A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> >>> ====================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via >> >our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" >> >link in the upper right corner) >> >> >> >> A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> >====================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> >> via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the >> >> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) >> >> >> >> A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> >> ====================================================================== >> > >> > >> >====================================================================== >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> > via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the >> > "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) >> > >> > A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> >====================================================================== >> > >> > >> > >> >====================================================================== >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> > via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the >> > "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) >> > >> > A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> >====================================================================== >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the >> "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) >> >> A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >> ====================================================================== >> > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the > "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) > > A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help >====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.healthresearch.org (click on the "LISTSERV" link in the upper right corner) A link directly to helpful tips: http://tinyurl.com/resadm-l-help ======================================================================