Sunsets-$11.95
Rain on Spring Day- $14.95
Blooming Wildflowers- $24.95
View of mountains-$.99
View of Mountains in the Mist- $17.99
Leaping Dolphins- Depends?

Research Office in Rearview Mirror- PRICELESS

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Nadler, Elsa
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:55 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Research Adminstrator Positions Costing Gu
idelines

Why is there ANY attempt to put a dollar value on the services we
provide to the institution? Can we price out a sunset? Rain on a spring
day? Blooming wildflowers? A view of mountains in the mist? A leaping
dolphin? What is the value of an education in terms OTHER than those of
getting a job?

Sorry. This kind of thing makes me somewhat ill. It reminds me of the
fool who opined that "without funding it is not research."

Elsa Nadler
419.383.6967

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Gray, Madison
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:39 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Research Adminstrator Positions Costing
Guidelines

Angela:

Perhaps back in the day when the research administrator closed the deal
upon delivery of a case of Glenmorangie 10 Year to the sponsor? (The
development folks still have expense budgets to influence donors.)

A sponsor of a research project is not analogous to a donor; a research
administrator is not analogous to a development professional.

The technical merit of a research proposal is what a sponsor considers
during the award stage.  The PI is completely responsible for the
technical merit of a proposal - not the research administrator.

Your question goes to how to characterize a successful research
administrator.  There is a lot of material available speaking to that
issue.  That said, I do not recall ever seeing the concept you outlined
in the dialogue.

Although I am intrigued by the fleeting thought that I should perhaps be
pocketing a % bonus based on monies brought into the institution ...

With kind regards, Madison

Madison Gray, J.D., C.R.A.
Assistant Director, Contract Management
Division of Sponsored Research
Vanderbilt University

email: xxxxxx@vanderbilt.edu
phone: 615-343-1374

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Angela Sgroi
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:05 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: [RESADM-L] Research Adminstrator Positions Costing Guidelines

My Development colleagues tell me that the rough rule-of-thumb for every

Development position hired is that in the first year, the person is
expected to bring in double their salary in funding, and by the third
year, they are expected to bring in at least 5 times their salary in
funding.  Are there any comparable rules-of-thumb for pre-award research

administrators that any of you know of?

Thank you.

Angela Sgroi

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