Yes, the unused portion can revert to the NIH at any time; that doesn't change the appropriateness of the modular budget for requests less than $250,000. The math you described in your initial query did not suggest >25% carry-forward amounts. Robert Aull IU School of Medicine -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Katz Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:20 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] interesting question regarding NIH budgeting I don't agree. We are allowed to carry-forward up to 25% balances without any approval but anything over that needs justification. And the NIH has the ability to reduce subsequent years if the carry-forward is significant enough to warrant their questioning of large balances. My feeling is that if subsequent year budgeting is significant enough, then he shouldn't use the modular budget and use the detail budget to justify the necessary expenses. Matthew D. Katz, MHA Assistant Vice President, Sponsored Research and Contract Management Western University of Health Sciences 309 E. 2nd Street Pomona, CA 91766 (909) 469-5567 (909) 469-5569 FAX -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Aull, Robert Matthew Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:38 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] interesting question regarding NIH budgeting I agree with Charlie. Remember, the NIH also wants the same number of modules per year unless there is a real exception (equipment, sub) so their preferred math can force a modular budget to be higher than your internal. Naturally, you only spend what is allowable so any such "rounding up" can revert to the NIH or fund a programmatically-justified no-cost extension. Robert Aull IU School of Medicine -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:27 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] interesting question regarding NIH budgeting PI is right. If the REQUEST to NIH is not over $250K in any year, then it is modular. NIH EXPECTS annual increases to be included in the calculation and for the institution to manage the abundance in early years to pay what is needed later. CH At 12:55 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: >I just had an investigator ask me an interesting question. He's >putting in for an R01 and trying to keep his costs to $250,000 a >year so he can use the modular budget. We require a detail budget >anyway to ensure appropriateness and to calculate indirect and >eventually to plug into our system when the award is made. >His internal budget started off at around $237,000 Year 1 and by >Year 5 was over $260,000. I explained he would need to adjust the >budget if he wanted to use the modular budget. His feeling is that >as long as the total over the 5 years equates to $250,000 a year, >he's ok because there will be carryover and prices go up every year. >It's my feeling that that thinking is incorrect. The NIH expects you >to plan for your needs and use $250,000 a year without planning for >carryovers or price increases. That if he needs more, he should use >the detailed budgeting not the modular. >What is everyone else's understanding? >Thanks >Matt > > >Matthew D. Katz, MHA >Assistant Vice President, >Sponsored Research and Contract Management >Western University of Health Sciences >309 E. 2nd Street >Pomona, CA 91766 >(909) 469-5567 >(909) 469-5569 FAX > > > >====================================================================== >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv >Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
