Re: Postdocs as Key Personnel Charlie Hathaway 01 Sep 2009 22:03 EST
I've generally gone by the "rule" that key people have advanced degrees. This would obviously include postdocs. But I think you must allow each PI to make this decision. Certainly, there are technicians in labs (as there are NCOs in the military) who are 1000 times more important to a mission than others who happen to have a higher rank. And since many of these people are known outside labs and institutions because of their accomplishments (or you want them to be known for career development purposes), it makes great sense to designate them as Key. But I agree with your general premise that too many people are often included as Key. I think skill and effort should trump donations of reagents and advice. But I doubt that any definitions or guidelines will not make anyone happy other than the research administrator who cannot possibly be a good judge of who warrants conspicuous treatment. CH > The recent Notice issued by the NIH ( > <http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-09-139.html> > http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-09-139.html ) about > changes in continuation progress reporting that all postdocs on NIH grants > need to have Commons IDs prompts this question: > Do you typically include postdocs as key personnel on NIH applications? > The guidelines define key personnel as "individuals who contribute in a > substantive, meaningful way to the scientific development or execution of > the project", but 'substantive' and 'meaningful' can be interpreted very > subjectively, although in this case 'execution' may be the operative term. > We have tried to limit the key personnel on our applications, because > investigators often believe all of their people are 'key' and this can > lead to problems with JIT reporting of Other Support. Your opinion and > experience with this issue will be appreciated. > > Regards, > Steve Hunter > Legacy Research > Portland, OR > > > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================