I believe there was a note in the RFA or FAQ that proposals over 40
pages would receive an error message but not necessarily be rejected.

John Sites
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On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:30 PM, bonnie kwit <xxxxxx@OAKLAND.EDU> wrote:

> I totally agree.  What we sent in was within the page limit, I just
> thought
> my warning was weird.  Never having done a C06 before, I didn't know
> about
> the prior 40 page limit.
> Bonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
> Behalf Of
> Charlie Hathaway
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:20 PM
> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION
>
> Yes, we received this warning also.
>
> My interpretation is that Commons validation rules are working off
> pre-ARRA regs and the "40 page" stuff is popping up.
>
> I think NCRR should have issued an amendment to the C06 announcement
> as
> soon as the ambiguity was discovered several months ago.  But, to
> their
> credit, they have responded to people's questions timely and
> consistently.
> Given the excellent record of NIH generally in providing support,
> I'd say
> we should be understanding of the pressures on them to write/rewrite
> announcements for the ARRA deadlines.
>
> CH
>
>
>> Charlie,
>> This is the error/warning message I received on  my May 6th
>> submission.
>> Note is says limited to 40 pages.   Bonnie
>>
>>
>> Status Information
>>
>>
>> eSubmission Errors/Warning
>> In most cases, a Bibliography and References Cited attachment
>> should be
>> included. - Warning
>>
>> The Program Narrative (Other Project Information, Project Narrative
>> attachment) is limited to 40 pages. - Warning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Charlie Hathaway
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:54 PM
>> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION
>>
>> I disagree.  Please see email below.
>>
>> AND..please tell me if you already submitted a 40 pager for an
>> earlier deadline.  ??
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> From: "McCullough, Willie (NIH/NCRR) [E]" <xxxxxx@mail.nih.gov>
>> To: Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@aecom.yu.edu>, "Nelson, Barbara (NIH/
>> NCRR)
>> [E]"
>>         <xxxxxx@mail.nih.gov>
>> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:22:30 -0400
>> Subject: RE: C06 page limits
>>
>> Dr. Hathaway,
>>
>> The 20 page Project Narrative includes the line-up-on-line narrative
>> of the following less the tables and line drawings:
>>
>> Specific Aims:
>> Background:
>> Improvement Plans:
>> Significance and Need: (grant tables do not count against the 20
>> pages)
>> Project Management and Institutional Commitment:
>> Design Considerations:
>>         Engineering Criteria:
>>         Architectural Criteria:
>> Line Drawings: (do not counted against the 20 pages)
>> Equipment:
>> Project Timeline:
>>
>> The grant support tables and line drawings may exceed the 40 page
>> limit that will trigger a warning that the PDF file is more than the
>> 40 page limit.  A warning is OK so you may add more than 20 pages of
>> tables and line drawings.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Willie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 01:40 PM 7/9/2009, you wrote:
>>> We have interpreted the Project Narrative to consist of all the
>>> sections, with page requirements for Specific Aims, Background and
>>> Improvement to be no more than 20 pp.  But together with the
>>> remaining sections (Significance and Need, Project Management and
>>> Institutional Commitment, Design Considerations, Equipment and
>>> Project Timelines) the total cannot exceed 40 pp (with line drawings
>>> and tables exempt from limit).
>>>
>>> I confirmed with NIH regarding the Equipment and this is the
>>> response:
>>> For #10 Equipment, we assume that since this is included as part of
>>> the Project Narrative, the inclusion of it here as a separate
>>> attachment is not necessary?  Yes, you are correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:49 PM
>>> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION
>>>
>>> It was written (or indented) very poorly.
>>>
>>> Yes...all those sections are part of the 20 pages.  Only line
>>> drawings and REQUIRED tables, which will be within these sections,
>>> are not counted against the 20 pp total.
>>>
>>> At 12:35 PM 7/9/2009, you wrote:
>>>> Ok, we're putting together our C06 application and I have an
>>>> important
>>>> formatting question:
>>>> In the "instructions", under Project Narrative, it states that the
>>>> Specific Aims, Background and Improvement Plans cannot exceed 20
>>>> pages.
>>>> However following that there are sections for Significance and
>>>> Need,
>>>> Project Management and Institutional Commitment, Design
>>>> Considerations,
>>>> Equipment and Project Timelines.  Are THESE sections also part of
>>>> the
>>>> PROJECT NARRATIVE? And if so, then that would exceed 20 pages?  Or
>>>> should they be loaded under Facilities and Other Resources and
>>>> Equipment sections of Research and Related Other Project
>>>> Information
>>>> Form??
>>>>
>>>> THANKS!!!
>>>>
>>>> Matthew D. Katz, MHA
>>>> Assistant Vice President,
>>>> Sponsored Research and Contract Management Western University of
>>>> Health
>>>> Sciences
>>>> 309 E. 2nd Street
>>>> Pomona, CA  91766
>>>> (909) 469-5567
>>>> (909) 469-5569 FAX
>>>>
>>>>
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