All disgruntled investigators (and others into therapeutic pugilism)
are invited to the SPO Friday Beer and Fight Club.  This year's
theme: EVERLASTing Teamwork.
Tomorrow's 5 rounder features Mike from pre-award vs a new biochemist
prof; they argued last week about some consultant costs.

At 01:23 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks Paula and everyone else that responded to my
>response.  Obviously this is a very sore topic for all of us that do
>work so hard and long to aid our faculty in the pursuit of their
>research endeavors and to enhance our institutions.  Just remember
>for every one of these disgruntled faculty (and we all have at least
>one :) ) there are so many more that are appreciative and
>supportive.  Knowing that helps keep us doing what we do.
>Matt
>
>Matthew D. Katz, MHA
>Assistant Vice President,
>Sponsored Research and Contract Management
>Western University of Health Sciences
>309 E. 2nd Street
>Pomona, CA  91766
>(909) 469-5567
>(909) 469-5569 FAX
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>Behalf Of Mccauley, Paula M
>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:55 AM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS
>
>Thank you, Matthew. That was put very nicely. It can be so
>frustrating (and sometimes even demoralizing) when we are vilified
>by researchers. We strive so hard to facilitate research by allowing
>our faculty to focus on the science while we worry about regulations
>and policy. It's not a glamorous job, but I think most of us take
>extreme pride in the part we play in important scientific endeavors.
>
>Paula McCauley-Shelton, B.A.
>
>Grants Manager
>
>UAMS Department of Pediatrics
>
>Grants Administration MS 512-1
>
>501-364-2368 Phone
>
>501-364-4656 Fax
>
>xxxxxx@uams.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>*NEW*  We've Moved! The Pediatric Grants Administration group is now
>located on the 3rd floor of the ACHRI Building.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>Behalf Of Matthew Katz
>Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS
>
>Alex,
>sorry to contradict you and it sounds like you've had some very
>difficult dealings with sponsored program offices in the past, but
>awards are not made to individuals.  This is made very clear in
>every Program Announcement and RFA as well as all federal
>regulations.  In fact, if you read the RFA's you have to belong to
>an institution in order to even apply for a grant award.  And awards
>can only be moved to another institution if the receiving
>institution allows the transfer.
>Obviously both faculty and institutions need each other for
>grants.  It is the faculty with their intellect and know how and
>scientific ideas that generates the awards and it is the
>institutions that foster that scientific creativity and provide
>space and necessary services for these research projects to be
>carried out.  Sponsored Program offices serve as the liaison between
>the institution, the PI and the sponsors to ensure that everyone
>keeps to the task at hand.  We ensure that sponsor guidelines and
>regulations are met, that the PI's have access to the resources to
>do their work and aid in any difficulties they may encounter and to
>represent the institution in all situations.
>It is not unusual for faculty to feel that the Sponsored program
>office is more of a hinderance then help but in reality without the
>sponsored program office, faculty would be forced to decipher
>regulations on their own and take valuable time away from their
>scientific endeavors.  The sponsored programs office allows faculty
>to focus on the science and if you work with the adminstrators
>instead of against them, you'd find that things would actually work
>faster and more effectively. That's how we try to work at my institution.
>Matthew
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alex
>Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 8:00 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS
>
>
>
>
>
>NO...you're WRONG. The awards are to the INDIVIDUAL - that's why
>they can be moved to other institutions. (not to make ad hominen
>comments, but unless one has ever written/been awarded several
>R01s/PPGs, SPA people have NO idea the mental toll this takes on an
>individual).
>
>
>It' the SPA people who have said outright to me that if it weren't
>for SPA, the PIs would "steal" the $ for "shag carpet"! Yes, these
>extremely hard won, intellectually gifted PIs once they are lucky
>enough to even receive an award, this of course is the 1st thing on
>their list! I take exception to this systemic attitude that the PIs
>work for SPA and the the zeal put forth by SPA to increase the IDC
>rates. There is only so much sponsor/NIH pie, and I frankly would
>rather it be spent on SCIENCE not administrators whose idea of help
>in grant submissions is to forward NIH website addresses or send
>reams of boiler plate text. What is SPA being paid for (by the PIs
>IDCs) if not to provide assistance/guidance when it is needed.
>This is why there is resentment towards SPA - the hubris that it IS
>their $. If not for the unique ideas and hard fought effort to get a
>grant (currently at the 15%-tile at certain institutes at NIH),
>there would be NO IDCs, SPA, etc. These PIs who often work 80+
>hours/week, while the SPA people often are MIA, conveniently just
>prior to grant deadline, off for "training" or conventions.
>Obviously this is a sore point due to excessive hours prepping a
>grant for which the SPA person, left the office at 2PM. So what if
>it doesn't get submitted in time; it'll only mean a loss of some $5
>million in IDCs, much less than the actually the DC, which SPA
>doesn't care about.
>
>SO...please do furlough, to get back to the topic, but at least
>please do it to state line/admin people, who seem to be in abundance
>in most institutions, often with grandiose titles, e.g. Coordinator
>of Excellence & Efficiency Director!
>
>
>
>
>
>May 13, 2009 10:09:21 PM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote:
>
>===========================================
>
>Make your point. It sounds like you are saying the institutions are "stealing"
>the PIs F&A. The grants are given to the institutions. The awards
>belong to the
>institutions. The indirect costs belong to the institutions, not the highly
>funded, tenured PIs. Most gifts are given to institutions, too. Normally they
>are restricted and bear little F&A. Depending upon the
>sponsor/terms/instution/policy, these funds can be portable if the PI leaves.
>The PI, SPAs and anyone who manages these accounts should be
>responsible. Also,
>under certain conditions,  severance and unemployment CAN be charged to DHHS
>grants.
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alexander
>Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 8:54 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS
>
>
>I can't wait for the lawsuits to begin from highly funded, tenured faculty who
>provide the institutions with a rich source of IDCs, which the SPAs are all to
>happy to take their cut FIRST. Can't wait to have the NIH audit these
>instituions.
>
>
>
>May 13, 2009 11:39:22 AM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote:
>
>===========================================
>
>We have implemented furlough days and applied them to all employees,
>regardless
>of funding source, no exceptions.  Our employees are employed by the state and
>furlough days apply to all state employees, even if their salary is grant
>funded.
>
>Sara
>
>Sara L. Wilhelm
>Grant Accountant
>General Accounting
>Hitchins Room 109
>Frostburg State University
>Phone: 301-687-7054
>Fax: 301-687-4494
>xxxxxx@frostburg.edu
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Research Administration List on behalf of Wilma Ennenga
>Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 11:29 AM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS
>
>
>
>Good morning! It's a beautiful 75 F degrees in Flagstaff, glorious blue skies,
>fragrant pine trees, trails calling and yet here I am at work. So it
>had better
>be for something fun like the "Furlough Issue" as it has come to be known in
>some locales. Still, I'd rather be outside so I'd appreciate your soonest
>response to these questions!
>
>
>
>The questions:
>
>*         Is your university (1) considering and/or (2) implementing
>FURLOUGHS?
>
>*         If so, will the furlough program apply to all employees
>regardless of
>funding source?
>
>*         Alternatively, are you making an exception for "non-state"
>funding and
>exempting those employees?
>
>
>
>If everybody replies directly to me - xxxxxx@nau.edu - rather than to
>the listserve, I promise to post a summary of responses by COB today.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Winnie
>
>
>
>Wilma G. (Winnie) Ennenga
>
>Director, Office of Grant and Contract Services
>
>Northern Arizona University
>
>Applied Research and Development Bldg. #56, Suite 240
>
>1298 South Knoles Drive
>
>Flagstaff, AZ 86011-4130
>
>
>
>Telephone: 928/523-8319
>
>Fax: 928/523-1075
>
>
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