All disgruntled investigators (and others into therapeutic pugilism) are invited to the SPO Friday Beer and Fight Club. This year's theme: EVERLASTing Teamwork. Tomorrow's 5 rounder features Mike from pre-award vs a new biochemist prof; they argued last week about some consultant costs. At 01:23 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Thanks Paula and everyone else that responded to my >response. Obviously this is a very sore topic for all of us that do >work so hard and long to aid our faculty in the pursuit of their >research endeavors and to enhance our institutions. Just remember >for every one of these disgruntled faculty (and we all have at least >one :) ) there are so many more that are appreciative and >supportive. Knowing that helps keep us doing what we do. >Matt > >Matthew D. Katz, MHA >Assistant Vice President, >Sponsored Research and Contract Management >Western University of Health Sciences >309 E. 2nd Street >Pomona, CA 91766 >(909) 469-5567 >(909) 469-5569 FAX > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On >Behalf Of Mccauley, Paula M >Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:55 AM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS > >Thank you, Matthew. That was put very nicely. It can be so >frustrating (and sometimes even demoralizing) when we are vilified >by researchers. We strive so hard to facilitate research by allowing >our faculty to focus on the science while we worry about regulations >and policy. It's not a glamorous job, but I think most of us take >extreme pride in the part we play in important scientific endeavors. > >Paula McCauley-Shelton, B.A. > >Grants Manager > >UAMS Department of Pediatrics > >Grants Administration MS 512-1 > >501-364-2368 Phone > >501-364-4656 Fax > >xxxxxx@uams.edu > > > > > >*NEW* We've Moved! The Pediatric Grants Administration group is now >located on the 3rd floor of the ACHRI Building. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On >Behalf Of Matthew Katz >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:59 PM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS > >Alex, >sorry to contradict you and it sounds like you've had some very >difficult dealings with sponsored program offices in the past, but >awards are not made to individuals. This is made very clear in >every Program Announcement and RFA as well as all federal >regulations. In fact, if you read the RFA's you have to belong to >an institution in order to even apply for a grant award. And awards >can only be moved to another institution if the receiving >institution allows the transfer. >Obviously both faculty and institutions need each other for >grants. It is the faculty with their intellect and know how and >scientific ideas that generates the awards and it is the >institutions that foster that scientific creativity and provide >space and necessary services for these research projects to be >carried out. Sponsored Program offices serve as the liaison between >the institution, the PI and the sponsors to ensure that everyone >keeps to the task at hand. We ensure that sponsor guidelines and >regulations are met, that the PI's have access to the resources to >do their work and aid in any difficulties they may encounter and to >represent the institution in all situations. >It is not unusual for faculty to feel that the Sponsored program >office is more of a hinderance then help but in reality without the >sponsored program office, faculty would be forced to decipher >regulations on their own and take valuable time away from their >scientific endeavors. The sponsored programs office allows faculty >to focus on the science and if you work with the adminstrators >instead of against them, you'd find that things would actually work >faster and more effectively. That's how we try to work at my institution. >Matthew > >________________________________ > >From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alex >Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 8:00 PM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS > > > > > >NO...you're WRONG. The awards are to the INDIVIDUAL - that's why >they can be moved to other institutions. (not to make ad hominen >comments, but unless one has ever written/been awarded several >R01s/PPGs, SPA people have NO idea the mental toll this takes on an >individual). > > >It' the SPA people who have said outright to me that if it weren't >for SPA, the PIs would "steal" the $ for "shag carpet"! Yes, these >extremely hard won, intellectually gifted PIs once they are lucky >enough to even receive an award, this of course is the 1st thing on >their list! I take exception to this systemic attitude that the PIs >work for SPA and the the zeal put forth by SPA to increase the IDC >rates. There is only so much sponsor/NIH pie, and I frankly would >rather it be spent on SCIENCE not administrators whose idea of help >in grant submissions is to forward NIH website addresses or send >reams of boiler plate text. What is SPA being paid for (by the PIs >IDCs) if not to provide assistance/guidance when it is needed. >This is why there is resentment towards SPA - the hubris that it IS >their $. If not for the unique ideas and hard fought effort to get a >grant (currently at the 15%-tile at certain institutes at NIH), >there would be NO IDCs, SPA, etc. These PIs who often work 80+ >hours/week, while the SPA people often are MIA, conveniently just >prior to grant deadline, off for "training" or conventions. >Obviously this is a sore point due to excessive hours prepping a >grant for which the SPA person, left the office at 2PM. So what if >it doesn't get submitted in time; it'll only mean a loss of some $5 >million in IDCs, much less than the actually the DC, which SPA >doesn't care about. > >SO...please do furlough, to get back to the topic, but at least >please do it to state line/admin people, who seem to be in abundance >in most institutions, often with grandiose titles, e.g. Coordinator >of Excellence & Efficiency Director! > > > > > >May 13, 2009 10:09:21 PM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote: > >=========================================== > >Make your point. It sounds like you are saying the institutions are "stealing" >the PIs F&A. The grants are given to the institutions. The awards >belong to the >institutions. The indirect costs belong to the institutions, not the highly >funded, tenured PIs. Most gifts are given to institutions, too. Normally they >are restricted and bear little F&A. Depending upon the >sponsor/terms/instution/policy, these funds can be portable if the PI leaves. >The PI, SPAs and anyone who manages these accounts should be >responsible. Also, >under certain conditions, severance and unemployment CAN be charged to DHHS >grants. > >________________________________ > >From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alexander >Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 8:54 PM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS > > >I can't wait for the lawsuits to begin from highly funded, tenured faculty who >provide the institutions with a rich source of IDCs, which the SPAs are all to >happy to take their cut FIRST. Can't wait to have the NIH audit these >instituions. > > > >May 13, 2009 11:39:22 AM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote: > >=========================================== > >We have implemented furlough days and applied them to all employees, >regardless >of funding source, no exceptions. Our employees are employed by the state and >furlough days apply to all state employees, even if their salary is grant >funded. > >Sara > >Sara L. Wilhelm >Grant Accountant >General Accounting >Hitchins Room 109 >Frostburg State University >Phone: 301-687-7054 >Fax: 301-687-4494 >xxxxxx@frostburg.edu > >________________________________ > >From: Research Administration List on behalf of Wilma Ennenga >Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 11:29 AM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS > > > >Good morning! It's a beautiful 75 F degrees in Flagstaff, glorious blue skies, >fragrant pine trees, trails calling and yet here I am at work. So it >had better >be for something fun like the "Furlough Issue" as it has come to be known in >some locales. Still, I'd rather be outside so I'd appreciate your soonest >response to these questions! > > > >The questions: > >* Is your university (1) considering and/or (2) implementing >FURLOUGHS? > >* If so, will the furlough program apply to all employees >regardless of >funding source? > >* Alternatively, are you making an exception for "non-state" >funding and >exempting those employees? > > > >If everybody replies directly to me - xxxxxx@nau.edu - rather than to >the listserve, I promise to post a summary of responses by COB today. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Winnie > > > >Wilma G. 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