Re: FURLOUGHS Barbara Bralver 13 May 2009 23:00 EST
There is something wrong with alex with no address. I was in the business for 35 years- I received th,k you's from. Many facukty who said they wouldnakt have b een funded with the evil Director's help. Thx b Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Cappellucci, James E." <xxxxxx@PARTNERS.ORG> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:35:04 To: <xxxxxx@hrinet.org> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS Alex, Where do you work? ________________________________ From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alex Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 11:00 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS NO...you're WRONG. The awards are to the INDIVIDUAL - that's why they can be moved to other institutions. (not to make ad hominen comments, but unless one has ever written/been awarded several R01s/PPGs, SPA people have NO idea the mental toll this takes on an individual). It' the SPA people who have said outright to me that if it weren't for SPA, the PIs would "steal" the $ for "shag carpet"! Yes, these extremely hard won, intellectually gifted PIs once they are lucky enough to even receive an award, this of course is the 1st thing on their list! I take exception to this systemic attitude that the PIs work for SPA and the the zeal put forth by SPA to increase the IDC rates. There is only so much sponsor/NIH pie, and I frankly would rather it be spent on SCIENCE not administrators whose idea of help in grant submissions is to forward NIH website addresses or send reams of boiler plate text. What is SPA being paid for (by the PIs IDCs) if not to provide assistance/guidance when it is needed. This is why there is resentment towards SPA - the hubris that it IS their $. If not for the unique ideas and hard fought effort to get a grant (currently at the 15%-tile at certain institutes at NIH), there would be NO IDCs, SPA, etc. These PIs who often work 80+ hours/week, while the SPA people often are MIA, conveniently just prior to grant deadline, off for "training" or conventions. Obviously this is a sore point due to excessive hours prepping a grant for which the SPA person, left the office at 2PM. So what if it doesn't get submitted in time; it'll only mean a loss of some $5 million in IDCs, much less than the actually the DC, which SPA doesn't care about. SO...please do furlough, to get back to the topic, but at least please do it to state line/admin people, who seem to be in abundance in most institutions, often with grandiose titles, e.g. Coordinator of Excellence & Efficiency Director! May 13, 2009 10:09:21 PM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote: =========================================== Make your point. It sounds like you are saying the institutions are "stealing" the PIs F&A. The grants are given to the institutions. The awards belong to the institutions. The indirect costs belong to the institutions, not the highly funded, tenured PIs. Most gifts are given to institutions, too. Normally they are restricted and bear little F&A. Depending upon the sponsor/terms/instution/policy, these funds can be portable if the PI leaves. The PI, SPAs and anyone who manages these accounts should be responsible. Also, under certain conditions, severance and unemployment CAN be charged to DHHS grants. ________________________________ From: Research Administration List on behalf of l alexander Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 8:54 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS I can't wait for the lawsuits to begin from highly funded, tenured faculty who provide the institutions with a rich source of IDCs, which the SPAs are all to happy to take their cut FIRST. Can't wait to have the NIH audit these instituions. May 13, 2009 11:39:22 AM, xxxxxx@hrinet.org wrote: =========================================== We have implemented furlough days and applied them to all employees, regardless of funding source, no exceptions. Our employees are employed by the state and furlough days apply to all state employees, even if their salary is grant funded. Sara Sara L. Wilhelm Grant Accountant General Accounting Hitchins Room 109 Frostburg State University Phone: 301-687-7054 Fax: 301-687-4494 xxxxxx@frostburg.edu ________________________________ From: Research Administration List on behalf of Wilma Ennenga Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 11:29 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: [RESADM-L] FURLOUGHS Good morning! It's a beautiful 75 F degrees in Flagstaff, glorious blue skies, fragrant pine trees, trails calling and yet here I am at work. So it had better be for something fun like the "Furlough Issue" as it has come to be known in some locales. Still, I'd rather be outside so I'd appreciate your soonest response to these questions! The questions: · Is your university (1) considering and/or (2) implementing FURLOUGHS? · If so, will the furlough program apply to all employees regardless of funding source? · Alternatively, are you making an exception for "non-state" funding and exempting those employees? If everybody replies directly to me - xxxxxx@nau.edu - rather than to the listserve, I promise to post a summary of responses by COB today. Thanks, Winnie Wilma G. 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