Oh dear, I thought I included "if allowable" which I wrote to serve each subject. Interesting is the point that DOE allows universities to extend access to PIs to submit proposals (to commit resources, and so forth). Gina Betcher, MFA Research Officer Office of the VP for Research TEL: 269.387-8204 FAX: 269.387-8276 EMAIL: xxxxxx@wmich.edu >>> Mike McCallister <xxxxxx@UINDY.EDU> 5/5/2009 1:44 PM >>> Sure, everyone represents the university, but not everyone is tasked with committing resources. Big difference. -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Gina Betcher Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:20 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] English Everyone at a university represents that university. On grammar, I'm not sure how the sentence can be interpreted to mean that we, as research administrators, submit applications on behalf of PIs. PI or research administrator or student (if allowable) always submits on behalf of a university if the application moves through the university (using the University's DUNS number). Otherwise, the applicant might be submitting to a grant for an individual and in that way they are not submitting on behalf of a university but on behalf of their own self. "On behalf of" simply means "for". Gina Betcher, MFA Research Officer Office of the VP for Research TEL: 269.387-8204 FAX: 269.387-8276 EMAIL: xxxxxx@wmich.edu >>> Carolyn Elliott-Farino <xxxxxx@KENNESAW.EDU> 5/5/2009 12:38 PM >>> Hmmm. By submit do they mean the person who uploads the docs and pushes the submit button, or do they mean the official applicant? Speaking on behalf of my colleagues (if I may), I dare say we interpreted submit to mean act as the applicant. If the former, we all submit on behalf of our institutions, no? -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:23 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] English Thanks for the near consensus. My original question stemmed from confusion about a line in an email from the DOE: "If your university authorizes Principal Investigators (PI) to submit applications on behalf of the university, DOE will accept this." After everyone's comments, I'm now thinking that: Universities submit on behalf of PIs. but There are some officials who actually DO THE SUBMITTING ITSELF on behalf of the University. And DOE may simply be acknowledging the possibility that a University has given signature/submission authority to the faculty. CH At 11:52 AM 5/5/2009, you wrote: >I concur with everybody who has responded. The PI is not an authorized >official to submit an application on behalf of the university. > >Cheers, >Robert > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On >Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway >Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:19 AM >To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org >Subject: [RESADM-L] English > >Does a principal investigator submit an application ON BEHALF OF the >university? >or >Does the university submit an application ON BEHALF OF the principal >investigator? > >[let's save the "on" vs "in" question for next time] > >thanks > >Charlie > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
