The PHS Policy defines animal as "any live vertebrate animal used or intended for use in research, research training, experimentation or biological testing or for related purposes." The embryos are not *live* vertebrate animals, and do not fall under the PHS Policy. I would ensure that they are being purchased from a reputable dealer with an approved OLAW Assurance and/or USDA Registration. Arlene Hansen, Associate Director (Ex-IACUC Chair) Sponsored Programs & Academic Research Center University of Northern Colorado ph: 970-351-1932 fax: 970-351-1934 xxxxxx@unco.edu -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Kristy Ford Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:39 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] IACUC Needed When No Animals? What may need to be done is for the institution to form some type of formal agreement with another nearby institution to utilize their IACUC for all protocol involving vertebrate animals, therefore also allowing you to use their AWA number in the application. Kristy Ford Grant Management Manager Financial Reporting Administration Memorial University Medical Center Savannah, GA 31404 (912)350-6379 >>> Kris Wolff <xxxxxx@FORDHAM.EDU> 10/29/2008 1:32 PM >>> I would guess they are concerned that they will have no Animal Welfare Assurance number to declare on the application form itself. If they check that vertebrate animals are being used (technically, they are) then the AWA is a required field in Grants.gov, isn't it? ------------------------------- Kris Wolff, MA, CRA Grants Officer Office of Sponsored Programs Fordham University @ Rose Hill ph: 718-817-4086 fax: 718-817-5575 http://www.fordham.edu/osp _____ From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Baumann, John Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:12 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] IACUC Needed When No Animals? Seeing as how you are near other institutions with animal programs and IACUCs, I suggest you contact one of them for some local advice/guidance and, if it is deemed that IACUC approval is necessary, I am sure you can work something out with them to conduct the review. And, NIH relies on 'just in time' for this approval so an approved protocol is not necessary at the time of application. But, that being said, issues regarding animal care must be discussed in the application and this too would benefit from contact with a local institution. Plus, reviewers may raise questions regarding use of animals if they see that you are an institution without an IACUC and, of course, you want to eliminate as many questions as possible as early as possible. John R. Baumann, Ph.D. Vice Provost for Research 5100 Rockhill Road (US Postal Service) 5211 Rockhill Road (Courier Service) Kansas City, MO 64110 xxxxxx@umkc.edu < 816.235.1303 (v) 816.235.6532 (f) _____ From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Johnson, Landy (Director of Grant Development) Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:57 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: [RESADM-L] IACUC Needed When No Animals? Our institution does not have an Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee, because we have no animals. We have a new professor who does research on chick embryos that are only a couple of weeks old. She obtains the embryos through the mail; there are no laying hens here. A proposal is planned to NIH, and I began developing an IACUC so that we would be able to apply, but now I see that some schools take the approach that early embryo research does not need IACUC approval because the embryos cannot feel pain. Can anyone provide any advice regarding whether they believe an IACUC is necessary for early embryo research, especially when there is no other animal research on campus? Is an application to NIH likely to be disqualified in this case, when there is no IACUC? I will be visiting NIH next week as part of the NCURA conference and will ask there as well, but I'd like to hear what my RESADML colleagues have to say first. Thanks, Landy __________________________ Landy C. Johnson, MPA, Ph.D. Director of Grant Development Assumption College Provost Suite, La Maison Francaise 500 Salisbury St. Worcester, MA 01609-1296 Phone (508)767-7666 Fax (508)767-7124 xxxxxx@assumption.edu http://www.assumption.edu/research P Please consider the environment before printing this email ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
