Yes! There is a smile in that the two programs can co-exisit. The Frown
only happens when Adobe 8 is opened first and stays open when the app
package is opened. And indeed, the name of the application does appear
in the upper left corner of the application window. (note, I have not
verified what happens yet when/if Acrobat 8 opens in the browser).

My concern, based on what I see on the SPAs computers in my office is
that they frequently are working on multiple applications/problems at
once, and may have several documents for each (a word processing doc,
spreadsheet, database, pdf) open at the same time. If something new
comes in, they often minimize, rather than close, so they can 'get back
to it' quickly when the need arises.  This is the time when corruption
will happen, and it can happen quickly and without being noticed.

Regardless of method, I believe we have to instruct and follow a
pragmatic, almost Zen like approach, when opening grant application
package.

1) open the package
2) breath, pause, breath, pause, breath, pause
3) ensure that it is open in Acrobat Reader
4) make changes
5) double check Acrobat Reader
6) save

:-) Steve

PS: I also apoligze. As the sender of my message, I don't get a copy of
it, so I didn't know it lost its formatting. I had the scenarios all
laid out nicely in a table with action/result in separate columns for
clarity. I should have used tabs, and will know better next time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Beattie
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:50 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] multiple Adobe Program

Steve, this is great!

Can we at least have a smile, that it is possible to have
Professional 8 _residing_ on a PC with ADOBE READER 8.1.1 also
residing.  And, we can be running Reader to manage an application
with Professional residing but not open?

The frown comes if you try to RUN professional and reader at the same
time.  Or if we open Professional first.

Might a temporary instructional solution be to tell everyone to close
Professional anytime they want to open an application.  Then open the
application with Reader?  Also, as you suggest, verify what program
is open.  On my Dell, with Windows XP Pro, the actual name of the
running program shows at the top of the window, next to the name of
the file.  Is that a special preference to set?

Bob
xxxxxx@umich.edu

On Jan 29, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Shapiro, Steve wrote:

In lieu of all of the recent posts concerning multiple versions of
Adobe Acrobat on the same Windows PC, I decided to do some testing in
order to determine exactly what behavior(s) Adobe exhibits.  The
results are causing an extreme lack of the use of my smiling
muscles :-(. What I found corroborates what Bob posted @ 8:30 Tues
morning.

The bottom line: Please instruct your staff who prepare proposals to
always manually verify that they are using Adobe Reader 8.1.1 when
working on application packages.

The procedure to manually verify the version is to open the Help menu
option and select "About Adobe Acrobat ... "

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And now, for those who are interested - the details in what I hope is
an understandable format. I verified each of these tests on two
different machines

I downloaded one of the Adobe Test Packages from Grants.gov

Scenario 1: Abode Reader 8.1.1. + Adobe Professional 6.0.x on the
same machine

Action  Results
Ensured Reader 8.1.1 association        I checked that Adobe Reader
8.1.1 was the default application for .PDF files
Opened App in 8.1.1     OK
Attempted to open App in 6.0    Error Message, would not open
Opened another pdf in 6 I wanted to edit it and make forms changes...
Minimized 'other doc'   I need to work on a grant app
Attempted to open App in 8.1.1. Right click and select 'Open in Adobe
Reader'   It tried to open in 6.0. On one computer, it reset my file
association for .PDF to Acrobat 6 Professional! I received an error
message when trying to open (whew!)

 Bottom Line: It does not play nice, but I don't think App
Packages open in 6, so there is little danger.
Scenario 1: Abode Reader 8.1.1. + Adobe Acrobat 8.0.0 on the same
machine

Action  Results
Ensured Reader 8.1.1 association        I checked that Adobe Reader
8.1.1 was the default application for .PDF files
Opened App in 8.1.1     OK
Attempted to open App in 8.0.0  Opened without error or problem! This
is bad, but I did it to myself :-)
Opened another pdf in Acrobat 8.0.0     I wanted to edit it and make
forms changes...
Minimized 'other doc'   I need to work on a grant app
Attempted to open App in 8.1.1. Right click and select 'Open in Adobe
Reader 8' It opened in Acrobat 8.0.0! This is BAD! Really Big Frown Bad

the good news is that it did not change file associations

 Bottom Line: We have a serious problem here. If you have a
document open in Acrobat 8, and attempt to open another  document in
Adobe Reader 8.1.1 - It will open in Adobe Acrobat 8 (not reader). If
this is an application and you then save the file, it will become
corrupt, and will not successfully submit.

At the University of Oregon we regard this as a serious problem, and
are currently examining the application packages in an attempt to
determine if we can programatically catch corrupt application
packages prior to submission. It's a complex process, and do not have
any results to report so far.

Steve Shapiro
Technical Group Manager
Office of Research Services and Administration
University of Oregon

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