Yes! There is a smile in that the two programs can co-exisit. The Frown only happens when Adobe 8 is opened first and stays open when the app package is opened. And indeed, the name of the application does appear in the upper left corner of the application window. (note, I have not verified what happens yet when/if Acrobat 8 opens in the browser). My concern, based on what I see on the SPAs computers in my office is that they frequently are working on multiple applications/problems at once, and may have several documents for each (a word processing doc, spreadsheet, database, pdf) open at the same time. If something new comes in, they often minimize, rather than close, so they can 'get back to it' quickly when the need arises. This is the time when corruption will happen, and it can happen quickly and without being noticed. Regardless of method, I believe we have to instruct and follow a pragmatic, almost Zen like approach, when opening grant application package. 1) open the package 2) breath, pause, breath, pause, breath, pause 3) ensure that it is open in Acrobat Reader 4) make changes 5) double check Acrobat Reader 6) save :-) Steve PS: I also apoligze. As the sender of my message, I don't get a copy of it, so I didn't know it lost its formatting. I had the scenarios all laid out nicely in a table with action/result in separate columns for clarity. I should have used tabs, and will know better next time. -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Bob Beattie Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:50 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] multiple Adobe Program Steve, this is great! Can we at least have a smile, that it is possible to have Professional 8 _residing_ on a PC with ADOBE READER 8.1.1 also residing. And, we can be running Reader to manage an application with Professional residing but not open? The frown comes if you try to RUN professional and reader at the same time. Or if we open Professional first. Might a temporary instructional solution be to tell everyone to close Professional anytime they want to open an application. Then open the application with Reader? Also, as you suggest, verify what program is open. On my Dell, with Windows XP Pro, the actual name of the running program shows at the top of the window, next to the name of the file. Is that a special preference to set? Bob xxxxxx@umich.edu On Jan 29, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Shapiro, Steve wrote: In lieu of all of the recent posts concerning multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat on the same Windows PC, I decided to do some testing in order to determine exactly what behavior(s) Adobe exhibits. The results are causing an extreme lack of the use of my smiling muscles :-(. What I found corroborates what Bob posted @ 8:30 Tues morning. The bottom line: Please instruct your staff who prepare proposals to always manually verify that they are using Adobe Reader 8.1.1 when working on application packages. The procedure to manually verify the version is to open the Help menu option and select "About Adobe Acrobat ... " ======================================================================= ================================================= And now, for those who are interested - the details in what I hope is an understandable format. I verified each of these tests on two different machines I downloaded one of the Adobe Test Packages from Grants.gov Scenario 1: Abode Reader 8.1.1. + Adobe Professional 6.0.x on the same machine Action Results Ensured Reader 8.1.1 association I checked that Adobe Reader 8.1.1 was the default application for .PDF files Opened App in 8.1.1 OK Attempted to open App in 6.0 Error Message, would not open Opened another pdf in 6 I wanted to edit it and make forms changes... Minimized 'other doc' I need to work on a grant app Attempted to open App in 8.1.1. Right click and select 'Open in Adobe Reader' It tried to open in 6.0. On one computer, it reset my file association for .PDF to Acrobat 6 Professional! I received an error message when trying to open (whew!) Bottom Line: It does not play nice, but I don't think App Packages open in 6, so there is little danger. Scenario 1: Abode Reader 8.1.1. + Adobe Acrobat 8.0.0 on the same machine Action Results Ensured Reader 8.1.1 association I checked that Adobe Reader 8.1.1 was the default application for .PDF files Opened App in 8.1.1 OK Attempted to open App in 8.0.0 Opened without error or problem! This is bad, but I did it to myself :-) Opened another pdf in Acrobat 8.0.0 I wanted to edit it and make forms changes... Minimized 'other doc' I need to work on a grant app Attempted to open App in 8.1.1. Right click and select 'Open in Adobe Reader 8' It opened in Acrobat 8.0.0! This is BAD! Really Big Frown Bad the good news is that it did not change file associations Bottom Line: We have a serious problem here. If you have a document open in Acrobat 8, and attempt to open another document in Adobe Reader 8.1.1 - It will open in Adobe Acrobat 8 (not reader). If this is an application and you then save the file, it will become corrupt, and will not successfully submit. At the University of Oregon we regard this as a serious problem, and are currently examining the application packages in an attempt to determine if we can programatically catch corrupt application packages prior to submission. It's a complex process, and do not have any results to report so far. Steve Shapiro Technical Group Manager Office of Research Services and Administration University of Oregon ====================================================================== I nstructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
