I don't know about NSF, but at NIH in 2007 the success rate for R01
competing continuations is almost double that of new R01s.  In 2006, more
than double.
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/award/success/Success_ByActivity.cfm

Assuming sufficient progress is made, don't we generally assume that
agencies have an investment in a funded PI/lab and will strive to maintain
the funding?  Certainly the feasibility argument is always easier to make
when you are already funded and working.

CH

> I wonder if that statement is true: "chances of winning a renewal are
much greater than the chances of funding a new proposal."
>
> Do you have statistics to back that up? Much greater?
>
> Anyway, I think a conversation with the NSF program officer is needed to
determine the best way to proceed, since this does not really sound like
a renewal.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Diana
>
>
>
> Diana Thompson Vincelli
> Director of Grant Support
> Office of Foundation, Corporate & Government Relations
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> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] NSF renewal submissions
>
>
>
> Hollie,
>
>
>
> This doesn't sound like a renewal to me--but you (and the PI) should
take into consideration the fact that, historically, funding rates for
competitive renewals at NSF are extremely high--probably higher than
they should be. So the chances of winning a renewal are much greater
than the chances of funding a new proposal.
>
>
>
> Jim Austin, Ph.D.
> Editor
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>
>>>> xxxxxx@OKSTATE.EDU 01/29 9:22 AM >>>
>
> Hello all!
>
>
>
> I have a PI who wants some clarification.  He is submitting a proposal
to NSF and is unsure of whether or not it qualifies as a "renewal" and
if it does, if it is even beneficial to mark it as so.  The original
funded grant was in response to an NSF solicitation. The new proposal
will be submitted to the same division, but not to the same solicitation
family.  The new proposal is not a continuation of the work funded by
the original grant but very heavily builds upon the research conducted
in the original, funded grant. There is also a time lag; the original
funded grant ended in September of 07.
>
>
>
> The PI and I are both leaning toward this NOT being a renewal, but with
it being an unclear area, we wanted the input of some seasoned veterans.
Opinions?
>
>
>
> The NSF GPG guidance on renewals - quoted below - wasn't particularly
helpful.
>
>
>
> "A renewal proposal is a request for additional funding for a support
period subsequent to that provided by a
>
> standard or continuing grant. A renewal proposal competes with all other
pending proposals and must be
>
> submitted at least six months before additional funding is required or
consistent with an established deadline,
>
> target date or submission window. In preparing a renewal proposal,
proposers should assume that reviewers
>
> will not have access to previously submitted versions of the proposal."
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance. :-)
>
>
>
> Hollie Schreiber
>
> Proposal Development Specialist
>
> College of Arts & Sciences
>
> 108 LSE
>
> Stillwater, OK  74078
>
> (405) 744-8458
>
> (405) 744-3285 fax
>
>
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