Bob, I am hoping you can answer this question. I have tried to install
Adobe 8.1.1 several times, but after it is installed the desktop icon
says Adobe 8. This morning I noticed that there was still an older
version of Adobe Reader (5.0) on my PC, so I removed that and tried
again to install Adobe 8.1.1. It appears that with my operating system,
Adobe 8 is the latest version I can install. Am I missing something? Is
it possible that Adobe 8 is the same as Adobe 8.1.1? I do not have any
version of Adobe Professional on my PC.

Karen Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Beattie
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:00 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grants.gov Adobe forms questions

Some applications need to use PureEdge, some applications need to use
ADOBE READER 8.1.1

For a few months, there will be both types showing up.  A specific
application can be EITHER Adobe or PureEdge.  There will not be two
versions of one application.

However, during this transition  time before June, 2008 when only
Adobe forms will be accepted, it is important that users keep track
of what version of an application is current.  It would be best if
users re-found application packages in Grants.gov and downloaded the
new version after previous deadlines.  Do not download applications
far in advance of deadlines.  Watch for agency announcements of when
forms will be available.   For example, a PI might have downloaded an
NIH R01 Form to use for the March deadline, but decides to wait until
July.  The March version will be PureEdge, the June version will be
Adobe.  Thus the March version cannot be submitted in July.

Get ADOBE READER 8.1.1 now, in addition to PureEdge (IBM Work Forms
if you have a Mac).  The former will still have .xfd extensions,
while the Adobe ones are .pdf.

By the way, remember that Vista and Leopard do not work with PureEdge/
IBM Forms.  No problem with Adobe Forms.

Bob
xxxxxx@umich.edu

On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:14 AM, McWhorter,Sharon wrote:

I am also wondering - is this applicable to submissions still using the
Pure Edge package?

Sharon McWhorter
Associate Director
Research Services and Sponsored Programs
The University of Akron
Akron, OH 44325-2102
-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Bloomberg, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:36 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grants.gov Adobe forms questions

Please excuse what may be a stupid question, but

I thought we didn't need to use Adobe Reader 8.1.1 until around June.
Am I wrong?

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org]On Behalf
Of May Watling
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:03 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grants.gov Adobe forms questions

I went through the same experience of having both adobe professional
8.0 and adobe reader 8.1.1 on my computer.  With the help of
grants.gov, I was told that the default system should be the reader
8.1.1 when openning the adobe files.  I did so but still when
submitting the application, I received an error message from
grants.gov.  We had to have someone who only had the reader 8.1.1
installed re-enter everything in the application and resend it.  That
worked.

May Watling
Research Training & Compliance Administrator
The George Washington University
Office of Research Training and Compliance
(202) 994-7990

On 1/22/08, xxxxxx@umich.edu <xxxxxx@umich.edu> wrote:
> This is what I am telling our campus.
>
> "Concerning what you need to process grants, you can believe your IT
> Support staff or you can believe Grants.gov staff.  The Grants.gov
> staff say to use ADOBE READER 8.1.1 to download, open, fill in and
> submit grant applications."
>
> In so far as federal grant applications are concerned, I suspect most
> IT Support staff are, in most cases, under-informed.  They are well
> meaning people who think they are doing what is in the best interest
of
> those whom they support.   I am sorry if I sound harsh here, I have
> been, shall we say, politely, "discussing" this issue with a number of
> well meaning people on our campus.  I would like to think, in grants
> management, our IT colleagues will carry out the necessary support
> role, once the grants people tell them what is needed.
>
> This is turning out to be painful for everyone.  I hope General
> Dynamics had planned for a better outcome than they have gotten when
> they sold Grants.gov on using Adobe, a program over which they have no
> control, and which is much more complicated, for a University, than
> they could have anticipated.
>
> Back to IT.  No matter what those folks say, you need to use ADOBE
> READER 8.1.1.  You cannot use Professional and believe, as some IT
> people have told me, it will work "just like Reader."  If you believe
> that, then move your submission deadline back a few days to compensate
> for all the invalid applications.  I know that most IT managers must
> centrally control what goes on peoples' computers. This can be at a
> department or even an institutional level.  I suspect this did not go
> into the General Dynamics calculation for success.  They probably
> assumed everyone just installed whatever was wanted, whenever it was
> convenient. So cause for more pain.
>
> The proverbial "bottom line" is that you should make ADOBE READER
8.1.1
> your browser default program to open all .pdf files from the internet.
> You can still use other Adobe programs to make .pdf attachment files.
> The other Adobe programs will still work in conjunction with Reader.
> Be careful, however, when you open up Professional as it will ask you
> to make it your browser default.  Just say no.
>
> The newest statement from Grants.gov staff, who are trying to be as
> helpful as possible as they are caught in the middle of all this, is
> that you should not use both Reader 7.0.9 and 8.1.1 on the same file
or
> you will get even more problems.  Thus I am, as well, asking our
campus
> to use only ADOBE READER 8.1.1.
>
> I hope this long explanation sheds some light on this as Suzan
requested.
>
> Bob
> ____________________________
> Robert Beattie UMich Grants.gov Liaison
> Managing Project Representative for eRA
> Division of Research Development and Administration
> University of Michigan
> 734 936-1283
> xxxxxx@umich.edu
>
>
>
> Quoting Suzan G Lund <xxxxxx@UNLNOTES.UNL.EDU>:
>
>> Does anyone out there know how having the Adobe Acrobat Professional
>> (version 8.1.1) affects the use of the new forms packages?  We've
only had
>> limited exposure to the forms packages thus far and are not clear if
using
>> Acrobat Professional, which our office has, creates/solves any
problems.
>> We're only hearing about the use of Reader 8.1.1.  Even our IT guys
aren't
>> sure.  Any light you can shed would be helpful.  Thanks.
>>
>> Suzan G. Lund, CRA
>> Associate Director
>> Sponsored Programs
>> University of Nebraska-Lincoln
>> 312 N. 14th St., Alexander West
>> Lincoln, NE  68588-0430
>> Ph:  402-472-1930     Fax:  402-472-9323
>> email:  xxxxxx@unl.edu
>>
>> Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
change
>> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.  Margaret
Mead
>>
>>
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