Bob --
I think the counter is just counting pages and not space. So 28 pages
with no white space is clearly more than 25 pages: All applications
with 26-28 pages will get a warning initially. The human that
eventually sees the application will reject it for exceeding the page
limits. If it's 29 pages, then the counter knows that it definitely
exceeds 25 pages, even with white space, so those automatically
immediately get an error. At least this is my understanding of how
the process works.
-- Evelyn
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At 10:26 AM -0400 10/5/07, Robert Beattie wrote:
>Keep in mind the difference between pieces of paper and pages. You
>start with text that is 25 pages and 25 pieces of paper if you
>print. You divide into the 4 components. You might now have more
>than 25 pieces of paper because of the way the pages got broken up.
>You could cut and paste those pieces of paper back into 25.
>However, if you started with just 25 original pages/pieces of paper,
>the NIH page counter will know that you are ok. The system will
>allow 28 pieces of paper to account for the extra "white" space
>after you make the division. You do get a warning to remind you
>that you cannot have more than 25 original pages, even though you
>might have 28 now.
>
>The counter is quite good, as it has found applications that did
>have more than 25 original pages; those get an error. I do not know
>why there needs to be the warning for something that is acceptable.
>
>Bob
>xxxxxx@umich.edu
>
>
>
>
>On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Schoen, Alexander wrote:
>
>It's D-day again,
>
>We have a grant going in that is 26 pages (6 extra lines in Rsch
>Design) after breaking up into PDF's. The SF 424 instructions claim
>that they won't count the "white space." In your experience, does
>this hold true, or would we be better off having the page numbers
>match the required 25 pages?
>
>From page I-20 of the Instructions.
>While each section of the Research Plan needs to eventually be
>uploaded separately, applicants are encouraged to construct the
>Research Plan as a single document, separating sections into
>distinct PDF attachments just before uploading the files. In this
>way the applicant can better monitor formatting requirements such as
>page limits. When validating for page limits, the eRA Commons will
>not count the white space created by breaking the text into separate
>files for uploading.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Alex
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>Director, Office of Sponsored Programs
>Winthrop-University Hospital
>222 Station Plaza North, Suite 510
>Mineola, NY 11501
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>Fax: (516) 663-9718
>xxxxxx@winthrop.org
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