Yes, indeed, and the science could likely be top-notch in both
situations; focusing on the interests of the funder does not de facto
mean that the science is compromised.

Carolyn Pate, Director
Office of Proposal Development
J. C. Kellam Building, Suite 489
Texas State University-San Marcos
601 University Drive
San Marcos, TX 78666-4616
ph: 512-245-2314
fx: 512-245-3847

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Behalf Of Young,Elaine M
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:53 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Contacting the Sponsor

On the other hand, talking to the sponsor (program director) prior to
writing tends to help the PI focus on things that the sponsor is
interested in - thus may lead to better score.

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Contacting the Sponsor

Excellent point, Charlie!

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From: Research Administration List on behalf of Charlie Hathaway
Sent: Thu 8/16/2007 10:19 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Contacting the Sponsor

Regardless of source, the statement itself implies that quality of the
idea/science/research plan was either not significant in the funding
decision or not a variable considered.  Assuming the latter, given the
near impossibility of measuring this variable without direct input from
each review committee, the value of the study and the preeminence of
pre-submission contact in the proposal success equation are
questionable.

CH

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> It's a widely held tenet of the profession that contacting program
officers prior to submitting a proposal will increase the likelihood of
getting funded (I don't disagree), and many cite David Bauer's statement
that "In a study of 10,000 federal proposals, the only variable that was
statistically significant in separating the funded and rejected
> proposals was pre-proposal contact with the funding source.  Chances
for
success increase an estimated threefold when contact with the funding
source takes place before the proposal is written."
>
>
>
> I frequently trot out this line myself in proposal writing workshops,
but I wonder... Can anyone actually provide a reference to the study
Bauer mentions?
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> --
>
> Craig Reynolds / Office of Research & Sponsored Programs /
>
> Central Michigan University / Foust 251 / Mount Pleasant, MI 48859 /
>
> T: 989.774.3859 / F: 989.774.3439 / E: xxxxxx@cmich.edu
> <mailto:xxxxxx@cmich.edu>
>
>
>
>
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