Re: wandering PI Smith, Debbie L 02 Jul 2007 15:54 EST
Another issue that I have not seen mentioned (but I'm scanning quickly) is whether the other institution is a state institution in your state and what your state law says. In Tennessee, an individual cannot be an employee of two state institutions at the same time--a dual services contract (or subaward) would have to be done. Debbie Deborah (Debbie) L. Smith, Ed.D. Assistant Vice Chancellor for Research Office of Research Administration UT Health Science Center 910 Madison, Suite 823 Memphis, TN 38163 901 448-4823 - voice 901 448-7600 - fax xxxxxx@utmem.edu -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Miller Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:25 PM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] wandering PI It would be a good case study--and I might use it in the future. However, as the director of sponsored projects at a PUI that is pretty new to research administration I am often surprised by all of the things that I take for granted that my constituents have never heard of. I often have to explain "why" things are done to people that have always functioned "just fine thank you" under a gentleman's agreement and a handshake. Bringing in more structure and oversight is a hard (but necessary) sell. I suspect that folks at institutions further along the developmental continuum have the policies and procedures they have because somewhere along the line things did go wrong, people or the institution did get burned, and lessons were learned--the hard way. Rather than go this route, I would like to bring these lessons to my institution now and prevent future problems. Just call me Pollyanna Miller Pamela F. Miller, Ph.D. Director, Office of Sponsored Projects The University of San Francisco 2130 Fulton Street San Francisco, CA 94117-1080 TEL 415-422-5368 FAX 415-422-6222 EMAIL xxxxxx@usfca.edu -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Waxler Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:43 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] wandering PI Pam, This one sounds like one of those case studies that you do at conferences! I can think of many reasons why this is a bad idea, but will let the listserve respond since I can't possibly get them all into one response without taking up a significant part of my afternoon. Larry PS: I this a test? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Larry Waxler, Director Office of Sponsored Programs University of Southern Maine P.O. Box 9300 Portland, ME 04104-9300 Telephone: 207-780-4413 Telefax: 207-780-4927 >>> Pamela Miller <xxxxxx@USFCA.EDU> 7/2/2007 1:07 PM >>> I received an inquiry from a faculty member who cooperated in the submission of a proposal to a federal agency from another institution (without going through channels here). This is a tenure track associate professor. The proposal was funded. I suggested that we set up a subcontract from the awarded institution to our institution for a portion of her salary during the academic year. The faculty member tells me why bother since she can reduce her time at our institution and become an employee of the other institution and make extra money without a sub. This may or may not be true, but can someone give me some reasons why this would be a bad idea? Pam Pamela F. Miller, Ph.D. Director, Office of Sponsored Projects The University of San Francisco 2130 Fulton Street San Francisco, CA 94117-1080 TEL 415-422-5368 FAX 415-422-6222 EMAIL xxxxxx@usfca.edu ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================