Our determination is made by the type of prime award - in your example, Univ A would issue a subgrant to Univ B; if the prime was a contract, then it would be a subcontract. There is also the question of how Univ A included Univ B in their application - were they included in the consortium category, or listed under consultant? Our determination as to whether something is a subaward (of any mechanism) or a purchased service is first made by answering the following: 1) Is the subsite contributing to the science? 2) Will they wish to be included in publications? Obviously these are over-simplified as well, but if there is a question of which category they fall in, those 2 questions make the first pass rather easy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ms. Leerin K. Shields Sr. Subcontract Specialist Office of Research Administration Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine 733 N. Broadway, BRB 117 Baltimore, MD 21205 vox: (410) 955-8389 fax: (410) 502-7832 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via reply e-mail and delete the message from your system. >>> Susan Meslang <xxxxxx@TCC.EDU> 06/26/07 8:59 PM >>> While your definitions are nice and clear - I find them difficult to interpret. If University A gets a grant and gets university B to develop the curriculum to meet the purpose of the university A's grant - this is definitely procurement of services yet it is certainly being done for a specific purpose or outcome. This is an overly simple example - but I would like to draw comments. We have conflict when our Workforce Development division writes curricula or provides a course to help meet the goals of a federal grant awarded to another university. Should this be a contract? - or a subaward - therefore handled as a grant by our college? "If we knew what it was we were doing, It would not be research would it?" Albert Einstein Susan W. Meslang Director of Grants and Sponsored Programs Tidewater Community College 500 East Main Street Norfolk VA 23510 P.O. Box 9000 Norfolk VA 23509 Office 757 822-1773 Cell 757 409-2887 Fax 757 822-1007 xxxxxx@tcc.edu >>> Sandra Brenner Hill <xxxxxx@ANDREW.CMU.EDU> 05/10/07 10:02 AM >>> I was always under the impression that it usually had more to do with what was being done with the funding rather than the funding mechanism (through most announcements say the type of funding mechanism that will result) A contract is procurement of goods(and or services) A grant is work that is done for a specific purpose or outcome A cooperative agreement is work that is being done for a specific purpose or outcome with the involvement of the sponsoring agency Hope this helps clarify it for you Sandy When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another - Helen Keller Sandy Brenner Hill, MPM, CRA President SRA Allegheny Chapter Manager, Business and Personnel Administration Biomedical Engineering & Bone Tissue Engineering Center Carnegie Mellon University 5000 Forbes Avenue, Doherty Hall 2100 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 +1 412-268-3444 mobile +1 412-760-0984 fax +1 412-268-1173 _____ From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Hughes, Audree S. Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:37 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: [RESADM-L] Grant or Contract????? MY Question of the day - Is it a GRANT or is it a CONTRACT? I'm looking for a definitive way to classify Federal Awards (and federal subawards) as either a Grant or a Contract. Can the presence or absence of a CFDA classification be a deciding factor? Outside auditors say that there are Federal Grants that don't have CFDA #s so I shouldn't use that as a standard. What method do you use to make that determination? I am looking to the Teaming Millions in ResAdmin Land to help me see the light! _____ :: ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
