Well, I admire your education. I worry truly what mine looks like:
an MFA in fiction. When I'm not hungry, I am a good writer. Teaching
experience, too, lends skills to my presentations. But anyway, I do
feel offices of research favor hiring scientists above the rest.

>>> "Lenox, Janis" <xxxxxx@VA.GOV> 3/14/2007 11:28 AM >>>
I support the idea that people wanting a senior position are not
coming
up through the ranks.  But it is not necessarily because they
don't
apply.

My experience is that after years of gathered experience (within
the
research field doing budgets, proposals, and financial management
of
same)  and going to school (at the same time) to receive a BS in
accounting, MBA in finance and a MS in taxation, that my experience
and
degrees do not rank as high as in the eyes of those doing the
screenings.  It seems like many institutions keep looking for that
"fresh view" to make their systems and procedures work better.  I
often
see outsiders brought in over experienced staff.  I'm not saying
that
sitting in a chair should move you to another level within your
organization, but I don't see many institutions really following
the
promote-from-within policy either.  It's as if the person has been
classified by upper managers as to our abilities and skill level
because
we took a position at a lower level.  Often to move ahead, many
people
have to move to other institutions.  Then I'm questioned on why I
move
around so much.  If I stay in one place, I don't move at all (or
very
slowly).

thanks

Janis Lenox, Director, Contracts & Grants
Northern California Institute
 for Research and Education (NCIRE)
4150 Clement Street, NC-151
San Francisco, CA 94121-1545
Office: 415-750-6954, ext. 5536
Fax: 415-750-9358
Email:  xxxxxx@ncire.org <mailto:xxxxxx@ncire.org>
website: www.ncire.org <http://www.ncire.org>

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Watson, Mary
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Raising the "younger" generation of
administrators

Interesting topic - and one that is coming home for me.  Governors
State
University is seeking a new Director of Sponsored Programs and
Research.
The announcement has been posted in all the 'right' spots,
including on
some professional organizations' websites.  The initial posting
went out
two weeks ago and to date we have, I believe, 8, possibly 9
applicants!
A few years ago that number would have been easily doubled.  This
is an
attractive location, just outside Chicago; the school is young and
evolving, with lots of energy, and the office was just established
in
April 2006 so there is plenty of room for creativity and growth.
Why so
few applicants?

I am thinking that the people wanting a senior position are simply
not
coming up through the ranks, somehow.  And, your questions, Robin,
about
what are we as a profession doing are really pertinent.  I do
wonder,
what ARE we doing to sell this work as valid and exciting and,
yes,
might I say, even fun - sometimes?

Mary H. Watson, Ph.D.

Director, OSPR

Governors State University

________________________________

From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Dewey, Robin
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:52 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: [RESADM-L] Raising the "younger" generation of
administrators

Several interesting questions posed this week and last week and
this
week have gotten me thinking...

What are we collectively doing to encourage the younger generation
to
follow in our footsteps? Surely it isn't the compensation - just
kidding. But seriously, outside of professional meetings do you do
anything? Try to get others at your institution interested in
grants?
Talk to people younger than that? Out of curiosity what do you find
the
age demographic to be at your institutions? I am certainly one of
the
youngest around my hallways at 33 - and the funny thing is I
consider
this to be my second career because I started it at 29. I don't see
many
people my own age doing this, and I wonder if in 5 or 10 years we
are
going to have a severe shortage of people in the field?

Just some random ideas I've had floating around my head ever since
Maggie Bryan-Peterson from SUNY Fredonia said "Where have all the
administrators gone? ;-)"

Robin

**************************************
Robin Dewey
Research Grants Manager
Department of Medicine Administration
University of Rochester Medical Center
601 Elmwood Avenue
Box MED, Room 3-3236
Rochester, NY 14642
Phone: 585-275-6253
Fax: 585-442-3695
xxxxxx@rochester.edu

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