Several years ago, in looking at Banner pre-award, we also found that Banner
did not serve our needs for gathering all the necessary compliance
information related to proposal submission, nor did it address our needs to
improve service to researchers regarding electronic approvals and
submissions.

So our team at Saint Louis University has developed an electronic research
services system that works WITH Banner capabilities and includes an
electronic submission and approval process for PIs and administration, data
collection regarding compliance needs, PI and administrator dashboards with
access tied to specific roles and responsibilities, reporting tools, and a
funding search mechanism that interfaces with grants.gov.  The system also
includes electronic effort reporting capability.  We are now moving on to
the development of tools for review of clinical trial contracts and the
development of e-protocol capability for human subject protection that will
be tied to proposal information where necessary, and, of course, tied to
Banner information where it exists.

We are presenting the current status of our system at the upcoming
SCT/Sunguard conference in Las Vegas in March.

Patricia Hagen, Ph.D.
Associate Provost, Research Compliance and Electronic Research Initiatives
Saint Louis University

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of
Phillip Myers, Ph.D.
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:29 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Banner--Preaward

I echo everything Pam writes and will just add that it is too inflexible
in the field area for our needs, especially as we all are doing more
with industry, etc. Also, it is primarily a post-award financials
system, and even then, our grants accounts have trouble with
inflexibility, especially in the area of collecting and re-allocating
indirect costs when they have to be sliced and diced among several
units.  This gets maddening  as collaborations between  units grows in
response to federal RFPs.

Phil

Plotkin, Pamela T. wrote:

>I can't resist any longer and I'm not sure how helpful this message will
>be but, the State of TN institutions of Higher Ed were "Bannered" last
>year.  A good person to contact for real thorough information about
>Banner Pre-award capabilities is Myra Norman, Director of Sponsored
>Programs at Middle Tennessee State University (sorry I don't have her
>contact info available).  Myra did go with the flow for a while and used
>Banner when it was first implemented, but she must have decided it was
>insufficient for her needs because she recently purchased another
>database (IT Works) to replace Banner Pre-award.
>
>
>
>I chose not to use Banner Pre-award from the very beginning after I went
>to the demo here because it is inferior to the database I currently use.
>There were limited fields in Banner available to track things I needed
>to track (i.e. use of vertebrate animals, biosafety, use of humans, COI,
>etc.).  Additionally, some of the data that was input in Banner
>pre-award, did not carry over to Banner post-award financials (I don't
>recall which fields).
>
>
>
>Interestingly, the Banner support people told me not to use the
>Pre-award module because as they told me "No one likes it."
>
>
>
>Good luck,
>
>
>
>Pam
>
>
>
>Pamela Plotkin, Ph.D.
>
>Assistant Vice President for Research and
>
>Director of Sponsored Programs
>
>East Tennessee State University
>
>Office of Research and Sponsored Programs
>
>Box 70565
>
>Johnson City, TN 37614-1707
>
>phone: 423-439-6000
>
>fax: 423-439-6050
>
>email: xxxxxx@mail.etsu.edu
>
>http://www.etsu.edu/research <http://www.etsu.edu/research>
>
>
>
>Our Faculty are the people who deliver on all aspects of ETSU's mission
>- the rest of us are here only to help them get that job done.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>Behalf Of Dianne Horrocks
>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:32 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Banner--Preaward
>
>
>
>Please reply on-line.  I think there are lots of us who would be
>interested in this information.  Thank you!
>Dianne
>
>Hahn, Janet M wrote:
>
>I'd also be interested in hearing this.  Thanks.
>
>
>
>Janet
>
>
>
>*******************
>
>Janet M. Hahn, M.A., CRA
>
>Executive Director
>
>Sponsored Programs & Grants Management
>
>Radford University
>
>Radford, VA  24142-6926
>
>
>
>tel:  540-831-5479
>
>fax:  540-831-6636
>
>xxxxxx@radford.edu
>
>xxxxxx@radford.edu <mailto:xxxxxx@radford.edu>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>Behalf Of Pamela Miller
>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:20 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: [RESADM-L] Banner--Preaward
>
>
>
>Has anyone had experience with Sungard (Banner) relative to preaward
>support?
>
>
>
>They seem to have something to "set up and maintain" and track a
>proposal. Is anyone using this software?
>
>
>
>If so, can you give me an evaluation of strengths and weaknesses (on or
>off line)?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>pam
>
>
>
>Pamela F. Miller, Ph.D.
>Director, Office of Sponsored Projects
>The University of San Francisco
>2130 Fulton Street
>San Francisco, CA 94117-1080
>TEL  415-422-5368
>FAX 415-422-6222
>EMAIL xxxxxx@usfca.edu
>
>
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