The laxity of AO designation/access is indeed concerning.  And it is
alarming to think someone not affiliated with the institution could
actually receive and spend a grant under false pretenses.  So, I talked
with our grant account about this not too long ago.  She says at some
point the PI has to set up an account for expenditures through the
university after the award is made.  And reimbursement for HRSA, in the
past anyway, has been done on a draw-down (spend first and then draw
down from the feds) basis.  The site for draw down is secured and
specific for that institution. So I would think it's difficult, if not
impossible, for an individual/group not affiliated with the organization
receiving the grant to then receive the reimbursement draw-down.  I feel
better sort of. Still, you gotta wonder.  Another thing to keep us up at
night as if age and nature are not doing a nice job there already.

Sleepless in Denver,
laura

Laura L. Padgett
Administrative Assistant
Academic Grants
Regis University
xxxxxx@regis.edu
Phone:  303-964-3616

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
Behalf Of Molly Daniel
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:51 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] more info on review of electronic proposal
submissions

Yes, this is a concern of mine, too (authority to register an
organization with HRSA's EHB). Not often, but once in a while, I get a
phone call from someone in my organization who needs the DUNS number
because they are getting ready to request some grant funds... There is
nothing in HRSA's system (other than the shear obtuse design of it) to
deter "cowboys" in an organization from circumventing the internal
policies and authorized offials. I wonder, does this extend to
individuals not even affiliated with the organization, who could
conceivably link themselves with the organization's identity without
ever going through anyone other than HRSA?
----------------------------------------------------
Molly Daniel
Grants Specialist
Planning Department
Sarah Bush Lincoln Health Center
1000 Health Center Drive
Mattoon, IL  61938
tel. 217.258.2195
fax 217.258.4135
email: xxxxxx@sblhs.org
http://www.sarahbush.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research Administration List
> [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org]On Behalf
> Of McWhorter,Sharon
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:12 AM
> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] more info on review of electronic proposal
> submissions
>
>
> The EBH seems to be a remarkably free-wheeling system! Anyone can list

> themselves as an AO - but it doesn't really mean they are an AO. Only
> the person whose name is on the application as the AO will be able to
> act in that capacity. Are we confused yet? We also found, contrary to
> the instructions, that whoever accesses the application first then has

> to give the other parties access.
>
> We have had several very long, very pleasant, conversations with the
> EHB staff who have assured us that we will love it once we get used to

> it.
> We're still waiting...
>
> Sharon McWhorter
> Interim Director
> Research Services and Sponsored Programs The University of Akron
> Akron, OH 44325-2102
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
> Behalf Of Brown, Leesa
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:11 PM
> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] more info on review of electronic proposal
> submissions
>
> It is unanimous!
>
> I submitted Phase two today to the EHB.  I think I did it right but
> who knows.  The HRSA EHB instructions seemed to have changed from last

> week to this week.  The program director was supposed to access the
> application on the EHB and give me permission to access the grant so I

> could submit phase two - even though I was the one who submitted it
> via grants.gov last week!  Reality was the exact opposite - I was able

> to access the application and give permission to the project director.
>
> And, no F & A for my aspirin bill .....
>
> Leesa Brown
> Sponsored Research Officer
> Seattle University
> 901 12th Ave
> Seattle, WA  98122
>
> 206-296-6161
>
> Sponsored Research Office web site:
> http://www.seattleu.edu/academics/grants
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bonnie Kwit
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:38 PM
> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] more info on review of electronic proposal
> submissions
>
> I second that!
>
>
> Bonnie Kwit
> Grants & Contracts Officer
> Oakland University
> 544 O'Dowd Hall
> (248) 370-4116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
> Behalf Of Terri Maxwell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:38 PM
> To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] more info on review of electronic proposal
> submissions
>
> Bob, can your second article please be about the Kafka-esque nightmare

> that is HRSA EHBs?
>
> Terri
>
> On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Robert Beattie wrote:
>
> > Interesting that folks are looking at such detail within each
> > application.  This survey of reviewing would be better with some
> > context.
> >
> > I am now the eRA Editor for the NCURA Newsletter.  For my first
> > article, I would like to report on how the first two R01 deadlines
> > went.  Perhaps people would send me the following information,
> > directly, not through the group.  xxxxxx@umich.edu I will
> summarize
> > and post to the group -- no need to ask for your own copy
> :) Just to
> > give some context, I have put in the UM data.
> >
> > How many applications did you get for the R01 Feb 5
> Submission? (75)
> > How many had errors? (15) How many with errors were corrected after
> > the deadline? (0) How many did you reject and resubmit
> because the PI
> > did not like what got into the Commons? (18) How many of these
> > rejections were after the deadline? (0) (I will try to get a report
> > from NIH on what numbers were and what were common errors)
> >
> > How soon before the deadline did you require a copy of the
> > application?
> > If you will take it in parts,
> > How soon for the administrative information?
> > in paper -- 424, budget, other paper? (7 work days) in electronic
> > form?
> > How soon for final full electronic version? (4 work days)
> >
> > Do you look at the full electronic file?
> > all forms and all fields? (yes)
> > selected sections and fields?
> > all attachments? (no, only check that they are .pdf)
> >
> > How many staff did you have involved in checking and submitting NIH
> > applications (2, with 2 in reserve)
> >
> > Thanks much for the information.
> >
> > Bob
> > xxxxxx@umich.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Vicki Krell wrote:
> >
> > I've been looking at each and every page, each and every field and
> > opening literally every document.
> >
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> > Vicki Krell, CRA
> >
> > Sponsored Projects Site Supervisor
> >
> > Office for Research and Sponsored Projects Admin.
> >
> > Arizona State University
> >
> > (480) 965-2171
> >
> > (480) 965-1703 - fax
> >
> > xxxxxx@asu.edu
> >
> >
> > From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Buel, Elizabeth J
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:08 AM
> > To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
> > Subject: [RESADM-L] review of electronic proposal submissions
> >
> >
> > To what extent is everyone reviewing the electronic proposal before
> > submission to grants.gov?
> >
> > For the Feb 5 and 16 deadline our office literally opened every
> > document and I am wondering if it's necessary to review to that
> > extent.
> >
> > Your feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > Liz Buel
> > Grant & Contract Manager
> > Office of Sponsored Programs
> > University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio MSC 7828,
> > 7703 Floyd Curl Drive San Antonio, TX 78229-3900
> > 210-567-2335 phone
> > 210-567-2344 fax
> >
> >
> >
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