Those faculty members should attend an education session on the IRB and then be required to teach a lesson on the importance of IRB's and protection of human subjects in research. Considering that these are student projects, IRB review is more important, as the students are most likely not so well versed with protocol design and human subject protection. -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Ruth B Smith Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:59 AM To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Compliance to IRB I agree completely with what Tracy said. The academic hierarchy should be made aware not just for early warning about potential IRB action but also for the example the faculty member is setting. The faculty member is teaching and showing his or her students how to be researchers and faculty members themselves. If the students learn compliance policies and regulations are "little rules" to be flouted, there could be serious consequences for those individuals and their institutions in future. Ruth Tracy Arwood <xxxxxx@CLEMSON. EDU> To Sent by: Research xxxxxx@hrinet.org Administration cc List <xxxxxx@hrinet. Subject org> Re: [RESADM-L] Compliance to IRB 10/12/2006 07:58 AM Please respond to Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@hrinet. org> Dave, I do not think there is a simple answer to your question. The answer depends on how your institutional policy is written. Does your IRB cover only projects that meet the definition of human subjects research in the regulations? or does your university expand on that definition to cover a broader range of projects? Perhaps, some of these projects are not "generalizable" and therefore may not meet the strict interpretation of the regulations? If you feel strongly that these projects should be reviewed by the IRB and that a faculty member is purposely ignoring the mandate to do so, I would recommend convening your IRB to investigate and discuss the noncompliance and determine what corrective actions would be appropriate. Involving your IO and Provost at this stage would be helpful so they are not blind sided when the IRB makes its determination. I have been involved with a similar situation and would be happy to talk to you off-line if you'd like. Good luck, Tracy At 07:24 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >Hello everyone - I hope this is a simple question. What does your >university do if professors do not require their students to pass their >human subjects research projects (undergraduate and graduate) through >the IRB? I am interested in the cases where the faculty member knows >that the projects should go through IRB but tells the students that >they do not need >to do so. > >Thanks for your input. > >Cheers, >Dave > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Dr. David L. McGinnis >Co-Director, Grants and Sponsored Programs >Montana State University-Billings >1500 University Avenue >Billings, MT 59101 >email: xxxxxx@msubillings.edu >office: 406-657-2340 >fax: 406-657-2299 >cell: 406-698-8164 >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== Tracy S. 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