Our page limit things were 'fatal errors' (worse than warnings?). But as I said, the application was 'reborn' once I fixed the font in one section and reduced that pages.

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Charlie Hathaway wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:47:25 -0400
> From: Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@AECOM.YU.EDU>
> Reply-To: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG>
> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] NIH R21 submissions
>
> [All the S2S "implementers" are saying, "Take that PureEdge lover".]
>
> This is all wacky.  Were your page limit things "warnings" or "errors"?  I too think that the computer is mistakenly adding human subjects and vertebrates sections to the total.
>
> Here's another one...a WARNING only, but seemingly inconsistent in its application:
> "Street 1 of the Applicant Organization address exceeds the limit of 50 characters. The grant image will display the address as submitted; NIH will store the first 50 characters only. - Warning"
> WE PUT THE SAME WORDS (23 characters)  INTO THE STREET 1 FIELD ON EVERY APPLICATION...but the warning only comes up occasionally.
>
> still in love
>
> CH
>
>
> At 12:35 PM 5/24/2006, you wrote:
>> Charlie,
>> My department had two R21 submissions. The first one was well within the page limit and did not have an error.  The second one, however, was exactly 15 pages, but involved human subjects and the separate pdf pages for the human subjects sections appeared to add enough 'white space' to throw it over the page limit. We were able to correct this issue as the pi in question usually uses a 12 point font, and reducing one of the research plan sections to 11 point arial, reduced the page length enough that it cleared without a problem on the corrected submission.
>>
>> Amy L. Taylor, MBA, CRA
>> Grants Manager
>> Department of Genome Sciences
>> University of Washington
>> 1705 NE Pacific Street,  K-353B
>> Seattle, WA  98195-7730
>> Office: 206-616-7823
>> Fax: 206-685-7301
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Charlie Hathaway wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:14:42 -0400
>>> From: Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@AECOM.YU.EDU>
>>> Reply-To: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG>
>>> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>>> Subject: [RESADM-L] NIH R21 submissions
>>> Question.....
>>> We have received the following warning on some, but not all, of our R21 submissions:
>>> "The Research Plan is limited to 15 pages. This may span 18 pages due to page breaks but the total space occupied by text should not exceed 15 pages. - Warning"
>>> In some cases, page breaks/empty space/blank pages(!) are clearly the cause.  But in others, they are not.   I want to understand how the PureEdge files are being read and this one stumps me.
>>> Has anyone else seen a clean 15 page research plan prompt this warning?
>>>
>>> Hint....
>>> We were submitting to Grants.gov and the AOR had signed in and pushed all the right buttons but nothing was happening...except sands in the hourglass.  Reason?  AOR had installed PureEdge but NOT the PureEdge update.  After we put that in, all went thru fine.  (Now we know what the update does)
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
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Amy L. Taylor
Grants Manager
Department of Genome Sciences
University of Washington
1705 NE Pacific Street,  K-353B
Seattle, WA  98195-7730
Office: 206-616-7823
Fax: 206-685-7301

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