As long as the text is within the 15 page for R21 or 10 pages for the
R03, the warning can be ignored.  It will generate a warning if the
combined Research Plan attachments (Section A through D) go over the
pages due to white space.  They are just notifying us to ensure that the
text is within guidelines.
Marlene

Marlene Boutet
Research Administrator
Office of Research & Project Administrator
p: 585-273-3960
f: 585-275-9492
email:xxxxxx@orpa.rochester.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
Behalf Of Amy L. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:35 PM
To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] NIH R21 submissions

Charlie,
My department had two R21 submissions. The first one was well within the
page limit and did not have an error.  The second one, however, was
exactly 15 pages, but involved human subjects and the separate pdf pages
for the human subjects sections appeared to add enough 'white space' to
throw it over the page limit.
We were able to correct this issue as the pi in question usually uses a
12 point font, and reducing one of the research plan sections to 11
point arial, reduced the page length enough that it cleared without a
problem on the corrected submission.

Amy L. Taylor, MBA, CRA
Grants Manager
Department of Genome Sciences
University of Washington
1705 NE Pacific Street,  K-353B
Seattle, WA  98195-7730
Office: 206-616-7823
Fax: 206-685-7301

On Wed, 24 May 2006, Charlie Hathaway wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:14:42 -0400
> From: Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@AECOM.YU.EDU>
> Reply-To: Research Administration Discussion List
<xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG>
> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> Subject: [RESADM-L] NIH R21 submissions
>
> Question.....
> We have received the following warning on some, but not all, of our
R21 submissions:
> "The Research Plan is limited to 15 pages. This may span 18 pages due
to page breaks but the total space occupied by text should not exceed 15
pages. - Warning"
> In some cases, page breaks/empty space/blank pages(!) are clearly the
cause.  But in others, they are not.   I want to understand how the
PureEdge files are being read and this one stumps me.
> Has anyone else seen a clean 15 page research plan prompt this
warning?
>
> Hint....
> We were submitting to Grants.gov and the AOR had signed in and pushed
all the right buttons but nothing was happening...except sands in the
hourglass.  Reason?  AOR had installed PureEdge but NOT the PureEdge
update.  After we put that in, all went thru fine.  (Now we know what
the update does)
>
> thanks
>
> Charlie
>
>
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