I certainly like what you said here Dawn. While I'm in Charlie's camp (success is pretty dismal), I know that faculty can be more successful (particularly for our institution at does more community outreach and programmatic stuff than pure research) if they just put some time and "polish" to what they are doing. Many times it is a sales technique that they need to employ and when you are use to writing more scientifically, it is not an easy task. I too get into all sorts of squabbles with our foundation for the same kinds of things. For instance, we wanted some community programming money to do a summer camp and so I went and did the "dog and pony" show for the faculty member. We got the funds, but not without huffing and puffing from the foundation that they had BIGGER plans... what the plan or plans are is yet to be determined or disclosed. Nonetheless, I would not pay for the Foundation Directory as a sponsored research office -- that should be something the development office should invest in.... my 2 cents. Jeanne http://www.ncf.edu/orps/ "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." -- Mark Twain "Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." -- Gertrude Stein -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Dawn Underwood Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:41 AM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Question for Foundation Directory Subscribers At Indiana State University, the main campus library maintains an 18 user license for the institution. Access to the single username and password is protected so that ISU users must login as a student or employee to reach it. The Sponsored Programs office used to purchase the two user option, and the library maintained the hard copy edition. The current arrangement works better for our budget and we are able to use the tool when we conduct workshops. Contrary to the experiences of others, we have found the directory useful in seeking grant funding. However, these funding sources do generally require relationship building (translates to "Time"). It is especially useful for those searching for funding for community projects who need to locate foundations within the state. The 990 information which lists prior year's fundings is useful for those who plan a submission to a nationally focused foundation (ie: Coca-Cola, Tiger Woods, etc). This detail is a reality check for those who think that foundation money is easy to get in large chunks. Of course, whenever we assist someone who is interested in foundation funding, we work with our development folks so we aren't stepping on toes. Dawn Dawn Underwood Associate Director Sponsored Programs Indiana State University Terre Haute, Indiana Phone: 812-237-3088 Fax: 812-237-3092 >>> xxxxxx@AECOM.YU.EDU 4/26/2006 10:21 AM >>> I agree with Joni. AND...I think it is a bit mean and misleading to direct the average faculty member needing $$ to the average Foundation Center write-up if you don't also tell them the likelihood of getting a response, let alone a grant, from a foundation with which you have no previous contact. I usually tell people that chance of success is somewhere slightly above zero. Is there any real data? Charlie At 09:47 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: We signed up for the site a little over a year ago, and I believe we got 9 logins or thereabouts, with the subscription. We were not able to provide it directly to the faculty, but offered to do searches for them, or to invite them to use a spare workstation we have in the office to do searches for themselves. I explored the possibility of a site license, but it was expensive and I decided to wait and see how beneficial it was. It turned out that, for us, the program was virtually useless and we cancelled our subscription recently when it came up for renewal. Joni Jon Hart, M.P.A., C.I.P. Senior Director Office of Sponsored Programs Administration Human Subjects Protections Program The Rockefeller University email: xxxxxx@mail.rockefeller.edu Tel: (212) 327-8054; fax: (212) 327-8400 From: Research Administration List [ mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Deborah Lundin Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:38 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: [RESADM-L] Question for Foundation Directory Subscribers Dear Colleagues, We are current subscribers to the Foundation Directory Online ( http://fconline.fdncenter.org/) and, if I am not mistaken, our subscription package limits the number of login sites. At this time, we have not made the username/password available to faculty and staff around campus. I wondered, for those of you who do subscribe to this service, how do you maintain accessibility to the site? Do you provide access to individuals outside the Sponsored Research offices? Do you field funding requests and perform the searches in the Directory in-house and then distribute the results to the requesters? Thank you in advance for your responses! Deborah Lundin Research and Training Coordinator/Assistant Director Center for Sponsored Research and Programs University of North Carolina at Pembroke P.O. 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