Re: Cost share Kathryn Watkins 09 Feb 2006 14:18 EST
My understanding is that a quantified match mentioned anywhere in the project or budget narrative becomes voluntary cost share and consequently is auditable. ************************************************************ Kathryn Watkins, M.Ed., CRA, Director Sponsored Programs and Research Cleveland State University 216-687-3630 / 216-687-9382 (fax) Bill Campbell <xxxxxx@U To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG WRF.EDU> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Cost share Research Administration List <xxxxxx@HRINET .ORG> 02/09/2006 02:12 PM Please respond to Research Administration Discussion List Carolyn, I quantify them if I possibly can. A program officer at ED (or maybe USDA, can't remember for sure) told me once that if a match doesn't show up on the cover sheet or budget form, they don't pay any attention to it. So I've been putting numbers in the narratives ever since. And I agree completely, budgets should be reasonable and the project has to deliver. If the matches aren't legitimate, I don't include them anywhere. Regards, Bill Bill Campbell Director, Grants & Research University of Wisconsin-River Falls 410 S. 3rd St. River Falls, WI 54022 715/425-3195 FAX 715/425-0649 Carolyn Elliott-Farino wrote: Bill, But do you quantify these resources that you include in the project narrative and budget narrative? It's one thing to say that "the department will contribute supplies," quite another to say "The department will contribute $5000 in supplies." My understanding is that if the resources you describe are quantified at all, they become voluntary cost share. I think you can show institutional commitment without quantifying the amount. So if you don't quantify, I guess I'd agree with you. If you do quantify, I'm not sure. Whatever, budgets should be reasonable, and projects should give some bang for the buck, right? >>> xxxxxx@UWRF.EDU 2/9/2006 12:36:06 PM >>> RESADMers-- Normally, I agree with Spanky--but not on this issue. I've served as a reader for Dept of Education on many occasions, and as a reader I'm impressed when a proposal narrative or letter of commitment describes the resources the institution is committing to a project. And yes, my impressions are reflected in my scoresheet. So when I write proposals for ED, I always describe the resources we will use for match in the narrative. And I include them in the budget narrative as well. BUT--I do NOT include matching funds on the official budget forms or list them on the cover sheet, unless of course a match is required. If I put matching funds on the official budget form and cover sheet, we're accountable for them, we'll have to report time & effort, etc. I follow that strategy with other agencies as well, especially USDA. Not so much with NSF, not at all with NIH. Regards, Bill Bill Campbell Director, Grants & Research University of Wisconsin-River Falls 410 S. 3rd St. River Falls, WI 54022 715/425-3195 FAX 715/425-0649 Mike McCallister wrote: Fer sure this is a "just say no" thing. Never, ever provide unrequired match. It's a waste of scarce resources. That's the kin do fcrapola you hear from rookies. And that's just what I tell them. Spanky At 03:25 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: That is an urban myth. It is the quality of the proposal and the proposer, not any cheap-jack price, that results in an award. You cannot buy an award, and if it would be funded anyway, why subsidize the project; there are better ways to spend your money. Mandatory cost sharing excepted, of course. Chuck At 01:00 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: Good afternoon- I have PI's who are using the "if I cost share I have a better chance of getting funded" justification for cost share. Is there any communique from NIH that dispels that idea? Thx! 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