I was told by NIH staff that the first and second reviewer of an
application will be given color paper copies. All members of the
study section will get a disk will all applications included.  Did
reviewers who where not the primary and secondary reviewer actually
read their paper copies in the old days?

Recently the folks that run the study sections reported to the FDP
that they have put a lot of effort into making in-person study
section meetings more cost effective.  There was an implication that
electronic meetings are not being contemplated.

One good reason for a PI to look at the NIH Commons after the grant
arrives from Grants.gov is to see the full application - paginated,
with table of contents, with all the pieces together.  One of my
remaining complaints about Grants.gov is that it cannot offer the
ability to view and print the application as it will be when it gets
to the sponsor from a single button.

Bob
xxxxxx@umich.edu

On Dec 15, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Charlie Hathaway wrote:

We recently presented some of the basic facts about Grants.gov and
eRA to some senior faculty members.  There was one (2 part) question
that, despite or because of its simplicity, had me stumped: What will
reviewers see when they review the grants?

The answer involves both our confidence in the faithful reproduction
of what was sent AND how most reviewers will view the proposal.  IF
the average busy reviewer with 10-15 grants is not going to use his/
her own paper to print out every page, and will review grants from a
screen, how is the psychology of grantsmanship affected?

A related question concerns the evolution to electronic meetings of
review groups.  Having just this morning sat thru the annual mock
study section review of proposals for the grantwriting workshop in
our clinical research M.S. program, I cannot imagine the freedom and
fluidity of the give and take I observed occurring in a virtual
setting.  How might this influence the way a grant applicant prepares
an application?

Charlie

At 11:27 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
> Angela,
> Everybody in the proposal process has to download the PureEdge
> Viewer software to their computer.
> Otherwise the PI will not be able to complete the application, and
> you will not be able to review it.
>
> You will need to be registered with Grants.gov in order to submit
> the proposal. The PI does not do so.
>
> Once the PI is finished with the proposal preparation...the file is
> emailed to you or your office if there
> is a general office email. Other universities have it set up that
> the file is uploaded to a website where
> OSPs download for review...it's a matter of what works best for you.
>
> We've done several submissions so if you have any more questions
> about procedures, feel free to
> contact me. Just know that after 3p on submission day, the system
> can slow way down and has
> even crashed on occasion. It is imperative that you get as much
> time as you can to review and
> submit prior to the deadline -- and I know how tough that can be to
> obtain from a PI. But we've
> had some success in explaining that their work may not be submitted
> if they wait to the last minute
> due to the system as it is now set up and a 'technical glitch'.
>
> Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions.
> Terri
>
> Terri M. Hall
> Associate Director of Pre-Award
> Office of Research * University of Notre Dame
> 511 Main Building * Notre Dame, Indiana 46556
> Phn: (574) 631-7378  Fax: (574) 631-6630
> http://www.nd.edu/~research/
> ~ an FDP institution ~
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Steltzer"
> <xxxxxx@EMORYHEALTHCARE.ORG>
> To: <xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:04 AM
> Subject: [RESADM-L] Grants.gov...one more time
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I apologize for missing the discussion a few weeks ago on how
>> different
>> offices are handling grants.gov submissions.  It was recently
>> brought to
>> my attention that we may have some problems initially with the
>> electronic submission.  From what I understand, a PI downloads the
>> appropriate application, fills it out, and then somehow uploads it to
>> the system again.  Is that right?  Our problem is that we don't
>> believe
>> that we (as administrators) can get into the system to review the
>> proposal.  Our OSP has determined that it does not have the manpower
>> (and frankly they don't) to address this issue.
>> I am therefore asking all of you to please let me know how your
>> institution is handling the electronic submission.  I must add that I
>> had originally thought that grants.gov would be like NSF fastlane
>> system, where pdf files are uploaded instead of on-screen typing.
>> Thanks in advance for all of the advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Angela Steltzer, J.D.
>> Senior Research Administrator
>> Department of Medicine
>> Emory University
>> 1364 Clifton Road, Suite H-153
>> Atlanta, GA 30322
>> Tel: 404-712-8763
>> Fax: 404-727-3099
>> xxxxxx@emoryhealthcare.org
>>
>>
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