The only topic I'm addressing is proposal submission.  Solving of the
problem of getting file "X" into the proper format for submission by the
single button click is consuming lots of neuronic (if not neurotic :-)
brain cycles both on the government and institutional/submittee sides of
the problem.

As I'm not a SPA, but rather a computer support/Information Technology
professional, my skew on the grander scheme is fairly limited.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:07 AM
To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Question about GrantSlam?

Steve-

Your outline is good.  But I'm having second thoughts about what seemed
initially a no-brainer:

If "you do not have IT professionals who can write sophisticated
computer programs for you, there is a high probability that you'll be
leaning toward a vendor."

Having looked at a group of vendor S2S products, it seems that what is
being sold is assorted components leading to paperless research
administration that are all fancy wrapping for a single button on a
browser that sends file X to Grants.gov.  I am sure that getting file X
into the proper form ain't simple, but is the sophistication you speak
of related more to the demands of integration with other pre and post
submission processes?

Charlie

At 12:36 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:
>This is an ideal topic for the Grants.gov Message forum @
>
>http://orsa.uoregon.edu/grantsgov/forums/index.cfm. I started a thread
>for it.
>
>
>In the future, perfect world, there will be two mechanisms to submit
>proposals to grants.gov.
>
>First: Use of the PureEdge Viewer, where persons complete forms and
>insert their documents into one larger file (or package) and transmit
>it to Grants.gov.
>
>Second: A 'system-to-system' interface where computer systems at the
>PI's institution gather the required information, package it, and then
>transmit it to Grants.gov.
>
>---------------------------
>
>Method one currently exists, but as testimony reveals, it is far from
>perfect.
>
>Method two is currently under deveopment, with several institutions
>participating in deveopment and testing. This is the method where
>vendor products can be useful.
>
>---------------------------
>
>If your institution wishes to continue to use the PureEdge 'solution,'
>then you will probably NOT need a vendor.
>
>If your institution wishes to not use the PureEdge software, and

>--------------------------
>
>GrantSlam has been marketed to us, but the product as it currently
>exists is not a good fit for us at the University of Oregon.  The
>general problem that they, and we are facing, is that we are trying to
>develop software to meet an ever changing design specification. A very
>erratically moving target.
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>Steve Shapiro
>University of Oregon
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
>Behalf Of Lucretia Hollingshed
>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:33 AM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: [RESADM-L] Question about GrantSlam?
>
>
>Good Morning,
>
>I wanted to ask you thoughts on GrantSlam.  Any information you can
give
>me would benefit me.
>
>Is there anyone who received requests from faculty to use GrantSlam as
>the submission system to grants.gov?  Our faculty are insisting on
using
>this program.  Our position is grants.gov does not need a system to be
>an intermediate to grants.gov so why waste the effort to use it.  If
you
>have used GrantSlam for the initial pilots that were done last year
>eCGAP program is this necessary now?  The literature I have read states
>that GrantSlam 8 is coming out later June 2006 that allows you to
submit
>for grants.gov requirements.
>
>Any thoughts you have about GrantSlam would be appreciated.  My
thoughts
>are that GrantSlam is just a vendor and is trying to sell its services
>through the faculty.  Are there any benefits to having GrantSlam versus
>using grants.gov alone.
>
>Lucretia Hollingshed
>Preaward Specialist
>Grants & Contracts Office
>Mercer University
>Macon, GA  31207
>xxxxxx@mercer.edu
>
>
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