Yes, it's true. About 2 years ago, I worked with an administrator who said that she was "one of the originals" who did not have to take the test. Apparently, she helped get it started. Not sure if she has since retired. -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Jennifer Shambrook Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:11 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] CRA - Fact or Urban Legend As opposed to the CPA which in my state requires college transcripts showing at least 120 semester hours of awarded college credit and a certain number of those hours being in accounting for initial testing. I still think the CRA is a good thing... I'm also still waiting for an answer to the question of whether there are folks out there TODAY that have a CRA that never sat for the exam. Where's Chuck? >>> xxxxxx@CENTRAL.UH.EDU 12/05/05 04:02PM >>> I also took the exam. In order to sit for the exam without having a bachelor's degree, you must have additional years of experience. Here are the qualifications to sit for the exam, from the Research Administrators Certification Council website: Qualifications/Credentials: 1. Experience. Candidates applying to sit for the Certified Research Administrator's Examination must possess a Bachelor's degree and three (3) years of substantial involvement in research or sponsored programs administration either in a sponsoring or recipient organization or the equivalent in a self-funded organization. Exceptions MAY be granted upon petition and meeting the minimum experience and education requirements of an Associate's Degree and six (6) years of experience OR eight (8) years of substantial experience in the sponsored programs/research administration field. Regards, Deborah Deborah Anne Brougher, CRA College Research Administrator College of Pharmacy Science & Research Bldg 2 Room 453A 4800 Calhoun Houston, TX 77204-5037 Phone 713/743-1418 Fax 713/743-1232 e-mail address xxxxxx@uh.edu -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Shambrook [mailto:xxxxxx@MUSC.EDU] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:37 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] CRA - Fact or Urban Legend I would be interested in hearing answers to Dr. Miller's other questions and comments concerning the credential. I've recommended to people that don't have bachelor's degrees, and no plans to obtain them, to get the CRA as a sign that they can set and achieve a professional development goal in lieu of a degree. In my own hiring practices, I would count a CRA and 5 years experience as almost equivalent to a Bachelors Degree when comparing candidates. I work in an academic environment, though, and a certification that does not require a degree will always be looked askance upon by the academic investigators we serve. Personally, I am generally supportive of CRAs as long as the person took the exam to get it. It's my understanding that in the beginning, one could obtain a CRA based upon longevity in the profession, and renew from attending sessions at SRA or NCURA without taking an exam. Can anyone tell me if this fact or urban legend? If it is fact: Has everyone that holds the CRA designation today taken the exam? I have an inquiring mind and would like to know. -Jennifer Jennifer Morgan Shambrook, MHA Associate Chair for Research Administration Co-Director Division of Public Psychiatry Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science Medical University of South Carolina 67 President Street, Suite 504 Charleston, South Carolina 29425 voice: 843-792-0191 fax: 843-792-0048 email: xxxxxx@musc.edu >>> xxxxxx@UAF.EDU 12/05/05 02:17PM >>> Hi Pam, the same goes for our announcement I recently posted. The reasons we put it as a requirement are for the same reasons Bill listed, and I think they are very good ones. Thanks, Andrew Bill Schulze wrote: > Hi, Pam: > > I have a feeling you are referring to our announcement, although I > believe others do that as well... > > You make some good philosophical points, however our motive is more > practical than philosophical. Including a certification requirement in > the job description for Senior Research Administrator has allowed us > to obtain HR approval of a professional position at a competitive > salary level. > > We do not use the CRA as a screening instrument, or we would require > it up front. I feel many will agree that the CRA is an important > credential for various reasons, but by no means do I feel it should be > considered the quintessential measure of knowledge or competency > within the profession. > > We expect our Senior Research Administrators to be experienced and > highly skilled research administrators. Our evaluations of candidates > during the interview process are based on their knowledge of the field > and demonstrated skills, and since the 4 professionals currently in > our office have over 60 years of combined experience in Research > Administration, we have little trouble with these assessments. > > Bill > > PS: If anyone is interested in a good job with great people, please > apply... We're looking for really good research administrators, and if > you don't already have the CRA, don't worry about it - we'll give you > 3 years and also pay for it... > > **************************************** > William E. Schulze, EdD > Director of Sponsored Programs > University of Nevada, Las Vegas > Phone (702) 895-1357 > Fax (702) 895-0986 > xxxxxx@ccmail.nevada.edu > **************************************** > > Inactive hide details for Pamela Miller <xxxxxx@USFCA.EDU>Pamela > Miller <xxxxxx@USFCA.EDU> > > > > > > *Pamela Miller <xxxxxx@USFCA.EDU>* > Sent by: Research Administration List > <xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG> > > 12/05/2005 09:35 AM > Please respond to Research Administration > Discussion List > > > > To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG > cc: > Subject: [RESADM-L] CRA as a screening instrument > > > > > This is something that has been bothering me, and I have decided to > share my concerns via this forum: I recently noticed a research > administration position announcement that required that persons > applying for the job have CRA status or be willing to obtain this > designation within a few years of employment. In my opinion, requiring > research administrators obtain a Certified Research Administrator > (CRA) designation to obtain and maintain employment is very premature. > > The exam for the CRA tests an examinee's knowledge of particular body > of knowledge and indicates that a high enough score on the test along > with a certain number of years on the job and a bachelor's degree is > sufficient for the individual to be "certified" as a research or > grants administrator. The unasked questions in this transaction are: > Who decides what the fundamental body of knowledge is in research > administration? The exam may indeed have captured the incredible > diversity of this ever changing field, but how do we know? Is there an > objective credentialing body behind the CRA exam, such as the > Committee on Accreditation (CoA) which oversees the accreditation of > programs and exams in professional psychology for the American > Psychological Association (APA)? Is there anything more rigorous than > anecdotal evidence to support the validity of the exam? > > Assuming the CRA exam does capture all the fundamentals of research > administration, are the questions good questions, i.e., do the > questions really tap the individual's true understanding of this body > of knowledge? No test is perfect, and there are numerous factors that > affect the reliability of a test, e.g., the length of the test, the > way the items are constructed, and even the directions for taking the > test. Reliability is an essential characteristic of a good test, > because if a test doesn't measure consistently (reliably), then one > can not know if the scores resulting from a particular administration > are due to the examinee's achievement or random error. The CRA web > site does not report test validity or reliability information, and > these are important things to know before making someone's job > dependent upon having or getting a CRA! > > Research administrators work hard, often without anyone noticing or > appreciating the work being done. It therefore is very tempting to try > and place research administration at the same table with other valued > professions. However, if one looks at what other professions have done > and are doing to achieve this respected status, it is clear that we in > research administration have a long way to go. The CRA may be an > important first step, but in my opinion it is unwise to think that we > have reached the end of the journey. > > Pamela F. Miller, Ph.D. > Director, Office of Sponsored Projects > The University of San Francisco > 2130 Fulton Street > San Francisco, CA 94117-1080 > TEL 415-422-5368 > FAX 415-422-6222 > EMAIL xxxxxx@usfca.edu_ <mailto:xxxxxx@usfca.edu> > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
