Indeed, Grants.gov allows as many "AOR"'s as submitters as the local authorities want. You can even delegate it to faculty and unit staff if you consider Grants.gov just an electronic delivery system. One problem arises in that only the person who submitted an application gets the email verification and is the only person who can check the status of the submission in Grants.gov. It is, of course, possible for people in an office to share passwords so various people can then sign in and check on each others' submissions. Not the best SOP for a secure system. It is also possible to have a "generic AOR" whose identity is assumed by all submitters. All belong to the group email to which verifications are sent and all can use that collective signon and pass word to check the files. Moreover, it is not clear whom the NIH eRA Commons will consider the appropriate "SO" to do the second approval. I suspect that the system will use the person who is listed at as the official contact person, in Section 19 of the SF 424(R&R). This may or may not be the person who did the actual Grants.gov submission. Thus there needs to be a way for Grants Offices to cross reference the Grants.gov submission with the NIH Commmons verification. While not really a problem for institutions that have only a hand full of applications per deadline, it will be a big problem for those of us with 100's of submissions. Made more so because of the lack of very useful identification information that comes from Grants.gov in the verification email and is then stored in the system. I hope the NIH email will be much more useful with identification of the application, with an URL link to the actual proposal in the Commons (as has been done with the previous NIH eCGAP system). I wish there might have been some user testing of these systems to find problems and solutions before we set our faculty to the estimated 40 hours needed to prepare an application. (page 1-7, Grants.gov Application Guide SF424 (R&R)) plus who knows how much Grants Office time to review, submit, keep track of, and approve. Bob __________________________________ Robert Beattie Managing Project Representative for Electronic Research Administration Division of Research Development and Administration University of Michigan 3003 S. State Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1274 office: 734 936-1283 mobile: 734 717-6281 xxxxxx@umich.edu On Oct 21, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Smiley, Rick wrote: What is meant by the “single submitter” remarks below? At Grants.gov, any number of people at your institution can have submit authority – each with their own userid and password. East Carolina University Tomorrow Starts Here Rick Smiley Grant & Contract Officer Office of Sponsored Programs 2200 Charles Boulevard, Rm 2906 Greenville, NC 27858-4363 xxxxxx@ECU.EDU http://www.research2.ecu.edu/osp tel: fax: 252.328.9539 252.328.4363 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Steven Etheredge Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:50 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Double approvals for submission of an NIH grant via Grants.gov Bob, This really concerns us also, and I hope we can get this concern across to NIH. It is difficult enough to get the proposal submitted one time electronically through Grants.gov, much less having to do a second validation and approval by PI and SO through the Commons. Undoubtedly, NIH does not fully trust that the Grants.gov system will deliver a valid proposal to them. As a large institution with delegation of submittal authority within my office, I anticipate that the single submitter concept is going to be unacceptable when all of the fed agencies start using Grants.gov for submissions. It is not just the sharing of the username/password but the lack of concurrent logins. Use has been not been as widespread by our largest sponsors yet, but with NIH and NSF coming online, I see real problems on the horizon. I am not sure how we will handle the daily volume with one login on major deadline days. Steve Etheredge R. 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