The Spankmeister takes on the entire Fraternal Order of Research Police! Remember, guys, no matter how important we actually are (or think we are), we are still supporting actors in this play. >>> xxxxxx@UALR.EDU 09/23/05 12:53PM >>> Oh puhleeze! Me unreasonable? You wanna take this to the street? You wanna piece of me? That old-time attitude of "We have to regulate them for their own good" abrogates RA's responsibility to teach PI's how to succeed in running their projects as well as their research. That is not to say we can't tell them NO, but we can't do it without the attendent "but,." "No, dear, not that way, but this way we can accomplish the same thing. I'll take you cops on one at a time or in a group. Spanky At 11:23 AM 9/23/2005, Andrew M. Parkerson-Gray wrote: >Thank you for your voice of reason Charlie! > >Charlie Hathaway wrote: > >>I disagree. Cops exist for a reason. So do we. We generally >>limit our justification for enforcement of strict internal >>submission deadlines to 2 reasons. The first, long-term protection >>of the institution, is a great reason but under-appreciated by researchers. >>The second, allowing research administrators to maintain their >>sanity, is an OK reason but comes off as whining. >> >>But there is a third reason that is necessary to justify enforcement: >>that there is a direct relationship between lead time and proposal >>success. Unfortunately, no one has attempted to prove >>that. [And of course it might not be true despite the dreams of >>grantsmanship teachers everywhere.] Anyone care to track internal >>lead-times and NIH priority scores for a year or two? If done >>right, it's a JAMA paper for sure. >> >>Charlie >> >> >>At 04:59 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >> >>>As my friend Phil says, "I love deadlines, I like the sound they >>>make as they fly by." If you are enforcing ANYTHING you aren't >>>doing your job. We aren't cops. >>> >>>Spanky >>> >>> >>> >>>At 03:11 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>>As far as I can determine NOBODY NOWHERE is successful in >>>>enforcing grant submission deadlines incorporating any kind of >>>>lead time. It is one thing to ask for certain lead times, and >>>>another thing entirely to require it and enforce compliance. I >>>>put a question around a year ago (or so) to this discussion list >>>>about enforcing lead times. I'd be happy to send a copy of >>>>replies I received to anyone who asks. >>>> >>>>John McCann, M.P.A., Ph.D. >>>>Academic Grants Manager >>>>The Evergreen State College >>>>Olympia, WA 98505 >>>>Phone 360-867-6045 >>>>Fax 360-867-6745 >>>>E-Mail xxxxxx@evergreen.edu >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [ >>>> mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On <mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG%5DOn> >>>> Behalf Of Mike McCallister Sent: Thursday, September 22, >>>> 2005 11:18 AM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: >>>> [RESADM-L] Lead Time for Your OSP? >>>> >>>> We laugh at both the idea of a requirement and the wild >>>> possibility that faculty will pay attention to it. I'm pleased >>>> to get 24 hours, shocked at 36, >>>> Spanky >>>> >>>> At 12:48 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> This is just an informal poll to see how much lead time >>>>> your sponsored programs office requires to review a >>>>> proposal. We ask for 5 business days to allow for the >>>>> proposal load, corrections, major problems, etc. We also >>>>> want the final draft, not rough drafts unless we had >>>>> arranged to help review and edit those ahead of time. What >>>>> does your OSP do? >>>>> Thanks, Andrew >>>>> ======================================== Andrew >>>>> M. Parkerson-Gray, CRA Senior Pre-Award >>>>> Administrator UAF Office of Sponsored >>>>> Programs 909 N. Koyukuk Drive / P.O. Box >>>>> 757270 West Ridge Research Building, Suite >>>>> 212F Fairbanks, AK 99775-7270 >>>>> Phone: (907) 474-1851 Fax: (907) >>>>> 474-5444 E-mail: >>>>> xxxxxx@uaf.edu Web: http://www.uaf.edu/osp/ >>>>> ======================================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>====================================================================== >>>>> >>>>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, >>>>> including subscription information and a >>>>> web-searchable archive, are >>>>> available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>>>> <http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv >>>>> Lists") >>>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>>> Mike McCallister, Ph.D. Office of Research and Sponsored >>>> Programs University of Arkansas at Little Rock 2801 >>>> South University Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 >>>> (o) 501-569-8474 The work itself, the >>>> pleasure of finding a field (c) >>>> 501-590-5609 for my peculiar powers, is >>>> my highest reward. >>>> (f) 501-371-7614 >>>> Sherlock Holmes in Arthur Conan Doyle's The Sign of >>>> Four http://www.ualr.edu/orsp/ >>>> >>>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>>> available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>>> <http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>>====================================================================== >>>>Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>>>subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>>>available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>>><http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>>>====================================================================== >>> >>> >>>Mike McCallister, Ph.D. >>>Office of Research and Sponsored Programs >>>University of Arkansas at Little Rock >>>2801 South University >>>Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 >>> >>>(o) 501-569-8474 The work itself, the pleasure >>>of finding a field >>>(c) 501-590-5609 for my peculiar powers, is >>>my highest reward. >>>(f) 501-371-7614 Sherlock >>>Holmes in Arthur Conan Doyle's /The Sign of Fou//r >>>/ http://www.ualr.edu/orsp/ >>> >>> >>> >>>====================================================================== >>>Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>>subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>>available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>><http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>>====================================================================== >> >> >>====================================================================== >>Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on >>"Listserv Lists") >>====================================================================== > >-- >======================================== >Andrew M. Parkerson-Gray, CRA >Senior Pre-Award Administrator >UAF Office of Sponsored Programs >909 N. Koyukuk Drive / P.O. Box 757270 >West Ridge Research Building, Suite 212F >Fairbanks, AK 99775-7270 > >Phone: (907) 474-1851 >Fax: (907) 474-5444 >E-mail: xxxxxx@uaf.edu >Web: http://www.uaf.edu/osp/ >======================================== > > >====================================================================== >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== Mike McCallister, Ph.D. Office of Research and Sponsored Programs University of Arkansas at Little Rock 2801 South University Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 (o) 501-569-8474 The work itself, the pleasure of finding a field (c) 501-590-5609 for my peculiar powers, is my highest reward. 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